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DeltaWhisky said:
Between the two classes, a couple people got quarantined and pushed back slightly, shortly before evals, due to a covid exposure. Their spots stayed on the lists. Also, if anyone chooses ZUA, ZAN, or HCF, then their national spot stays on the list.

There have been classes, months ago, that had to start over completely due to covid, regardless of vaccination status. Now, if you're vaccinated, you're fine. If you're not vaccinated, then you have to quarantine and they will try to fit you in with a class not too far behind you.
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So those people that were pushed back because quarantine just get whatever is left from their original class list. That’s pretty shitty.
 
hpwjuicebox said:
So those people that were pushed back because quarantine just get whatever is left from their original class list. That’s pretty shitty.
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What I meant by their spots staying on the list is that their last minute removal caused their spot to become an extra spot, possibly because the lists were already set. They weren't forced to choose the leftovers. The classes that they were moved to have an appropriate number of facilities to choose from.
 
Oh_Horizon said:
It sounds like a great list to me, but didnt it get shorted to just 2 ZTLs and 2 ZMEs?

Also, 5 people flunking. That's really rough.
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yah I guess it did. Unless the placement guys had sympathy and left them 1 Miami. 50ish precent was pretty standard for lots of Classes pre covid. From what I’ve seen, whenever the academy is closed the pass rates are really high right after it reopens. Then over time after things get back to normal the rates slide back to 50-60% like the old days
 
Nl1 said:
Any reason for the 4/9?
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One person recycled for covid joined shortly before evals. Stat for original class was 3/8. Why the high failure rate? Who can say. Overheard one of the instructors say the evaluators threw the book at them. Long weekend and sudden federal holiday when they should have had their final evals. Other reasons probably, but that's veering into heavy speculation.

Oh_Horizon said:
It sounds like a great list to me, but didnt it get shorted to just 2 ZTLs and 2 ZMEs?

Also, 5 people flunking. That's really rough.
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You're correct. Final list was 2 ZTL and 2 ZME. One was able to opt into Oakland because he's a local.
 
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Mr. Miner said:
I'm betting the 3 days off had something to do with it.

Some people had 1 eval Thurs afternoon, and then their 2nd run wasn't until first thing Monday morning
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I haven't been to the academy yet, so pardon my ignorance, but does having a gap between your evals really make that much of a difference. If you can really get that rusty over a weekend, it doesn't seem like you really knew your stuff to begin with. again, correct me if I have no clue what I'm talking about.
 
robertvmarshall said:
I haven't been to the academy yet, so pardon my ignorance, but does having a gap between your evals really make that much of a difference. If you can really get that rusty over a weekend, it doesn't seem like you really knew your stuff to begin with. again, correct me if I have no clue what I'm talking about.
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IMO it makes a difference. Alot of running problems relies of muscle memory and habits. Even if you know your shit, you can come in Monday evening and have a brain fart and blank on entering something simple like an interim ALT, since you haven't actually done it in a few days.
 
robertvmarshall said:
I haven't been to the academy yet, so pardon my ignorance, but does having a gap between your evals really make that much of a difference. If you can really get that rusty over a weekend, it doesn't seem like you really knew your stuff to begin with. again, correct me if I have no clue what I'm talking about.
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Nerves are a huge part of the PVs. And I think they are intended to be to weed out some folks. Having a big break between your problems is a lot of time to sit and think about what if’s and dread it coming up. I would 100% rather have run all my PVs back to back and just knocked them out.
 
Mr. Miner said:
IMO it makes a difference. Alot of running problems relies of muscle memory and habits. Even if you know your shit, you can come in Monday evening and have a brain fart and blank on entering something simple like an interim ALT, since you haven't actually done it in a few days.
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I think it depends. If someone that failed ended up being one of the poor souls that finished with a 69.9% or something, I could see having a three day weekend playing a factor. It’s a lot harder to argue though that the A1 or missed point out you had on Monday wouldn’t have happened on Friday. You do get rusty, but there are mistakes you’re expected not to make regardless of what your schedule is. That’s the name of the game in ATC.
 
robertvmarshall said:
I haven't been to the academy yet, so pardon my ignorance, but does having a gap between your evals really make that much of a difference. If you can really get that rusty over a weekend, it doesn't seem like you really knew your stuff to begin with. again, correct me if I have no clue what I'm talking about.
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Muscle memory is pretty important. You definitely feel more confident and sharp when you’ve been doing stuff all week. My facility tries to not run graded problems immediately after a weekend for that reason.

We had a 4 day weekend before the start of our evals and you definitely felt it on the first problem. We even brought it up to the academy program head because one of us didn’t make it and we thought he might have otherwise. They sympathized then said they should do more evals after a long weekend to increase the difficulty.
 
robertvmarshall said:
I haven't been to the academy yet, so pardon my ignorance, but does having a gap between your evals really make that much of a difference. If you can really get that rusty over a weekend, it doesn't seem like you really knew your stuff to begin with. again, correct me if I have no clue what I'm talking about.
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It’s makes a huge difference. Time to get rusty but more importantly time to psych yourself out. I was terminal and I had my second tower eval on Monday and if I had gotten the same score on that one as my first I would’ve gotten second place but the weekend and my nerves sent me to 5th
 
robertvmarshall said:
I haven't been to the academy yet, so pardon my ignorance, but does having a gap between your evals really make that much of a difference. If you can really get that rusty over a weekend, it doesn't seem like you really knew your stuff to begin with. again, correct me if I have no clue what I'm talking about.
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Certified controllers feel rusty after a long weekend/vacation working real traffic too. It’s def real.
 
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