Take a handoff make a handoff

Anyone here practice this, was taught this way for a long time.

dbs907 said:

Anyone here practice this, was taught this way for a long time.

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Never really thought about, but if another controller calls me about something and there's something that I was going to coordinate too, make it on the same call....don't hang up and then call back in a couple minutes to get yours approved.
As far as handoffs go, if I see something flashing I'll take it right away. I've had controllers tell me to wait because there not sure about some separation between that plane and another one: example....BE20 and a BE35 closer than three miles with one or both flashing at you. Just because you take the handoff doesn't mean you're responsible for any separation until you actually start talking to them. The other controller has the responsibility to not switch airplanes that are in conflict, so I assume everything will be done correctly.

And for the love of God....don't switch an airplane to the next frequency and then immediately call that controller on a shout/land line. Do the coordination first and then switch the frequency. I don't understand what's so hard about that concept, but about half of people I've worked with do it.

Personally not a fan of take one/make one. They tried to get me to do that at my facility and I said I can scan and make decisions based on the situation thank you very much. Now with mandatory auto-handoff it’s less of a thing, just make sure it gets handed off. I hate initiating the flash 35 miles from someone’s boundary just so I “don’t forget”. It’s my job not to forget, I don’t need it dumbed down. I understand if it was beaten into you and now it’s habit and I don’t side eye you... just your trainers lol

I agree with vector... I cannot stand things flashing at me 30+ miles from my airspace. Make the handoff when you have nothing left to do with that aircraft and they are within ten-ish miles (depending on airspace) of the boundary. Or let it autoflash if you have that.

I don’t take a handoff thirty miles away because I don’t want to talk to them thirty miles away. Don’t busier facilities use taking handoffs to help with frequency management?

We do it at my facility. It was weird to get used to at first because at my AF facility you didn't flash someone until you were done with them. But here it's just too busy so as soon as you take someone you put the flash in so you don't forget later.

My current OM was at n90 at some point and he has tried drilling this technique through to me. Makes sense to a certain degree.

I'm personally not a fan. Our radar is pretty slow and we get a lot of requests for altitude/route changes in mountainous terrain. It's a lot easier to just flash him when I'm all done rather than have to take it out of handoff status to make an amendment once or twice before he's on to the next sector. Or worse, make them take it and have to call the next sector once or twice for them to make an amendment before he's even talking to the guy or switch him 30 miles from the boundary and they call me twice to let me know what he's doing now. Take it, make it is a waste of time here. But I can understand using it at some place busier with more climbers and descenders.

DankVectorz said:

We do it at my facility. It was weird to get used to at first because at my AF facility you didn't flash someone until you were done with them. But here it's just too busy so as soon as you take someone you put the flash in so you don't forget later.

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I just now get what the original question is....take the handoff and then start the flash to the next controller.....
Nope, never done it, don't like the idea.
Last thing I want is for another facility to take the handoff, and then 20 miles later the pilot asks me for a flight plan change when I no longer have control to make changes for him in the FDIO.

Stinger said:

I just now get what the original question is....take the handoff and then start the flash to the next controller.....
Nope, never done it, don't like the idea.
Last thing I want is for another facility to take the handoff, and then 20 miles later the pilot asks me for a flight plan change when I no longer have control to make changes for him in the FDIO.

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Took me a minute too...
I think it's more pertinent to flashing the next sector, versus the next facility.

Seems to me that people from super busy facilities do this. My trainers and supervisors were from Chicago New York and Sandiago and they drill it into us. Take a “flash” and flash i

dbs907 said:

Seems to me that people from super busy facilities do this. My trainers and supervisors were from Chicago New York and Sandiago and they drill it into us. Take a “flash” and flash i

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It's taught in TSEW at OKC too

I do remember them teaching that in okc just regular rtf too. I mean it’s not a bad thing I just don’t like to do it.

vectorwagon said:

I do remember them teaching that in okc just regular rtf too. I mean it’s not a bad thing I just don’t like to do it.

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It definitely doesn't make sense if you're at a facility that makes a lot of route amendments. At the busier places everyone is either going to center or they're on a TEC route and won't get any amendments til they're in someone else's airspace. If we do amend someone, 99% of the time it's a shortcut into a neighbors airspace and we just apreq it with them but don't do anything in the system. I'd even say probably 60% of the people in my facility don't know how to do a 6-7-10 amendment.