A80/N90
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There's something to be said about tracons where everyone has to work the arrival wall. N90 is like Potomac in that all the areas aren't created equal.
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Success rate is 40% because for probably the last 3-5 years most of the people that could get here were from lower level facilities. People who had never worked radar or couldn’t read a clearance decided to give it a try because it’s their only way out of their current facility.
Now that we have the MOU and can pick people we want and think will be successful I would think that number would go up.
Overall I think the success rate is probably similar to what it is most places for people who actual complete the program. Our problem has been, like half of the washouts are people pulling their own ticket after realizing it’s not for them or they don’t want the 6 day work weeks, etc. Most people also aren’t ready for how quick training can go by here. There isn’t slow periods really. You’re going to get 4-5 hours a day or busy traffic. NTI numbers aren’t a problem here. You’re getting 20+ hours a week minimum.
Now that we have the MOU and can pick people we want and think will be successful I would think that number would go up.
Overall I think the success rate is probably similar to what it is most places for people who actual complete the program. Our problem has been, like half of the washouts are people pulling their own ticket after realizing it’s not for them or they don’t want the 6 day work weeks, etc. Most people also aren’t ready for how quick training can go by here. There isn’t slow periods really. You’re going to get 4-5 hours a day or busy traffic. NTI numbers aren’t a problem here. You’re getting 20+ hours a week minimum.
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Does anyone have all 3?
How can you bid together when you can't all work the same positions? Do you just have enough bodies that it's never been a problem?
What's your protection against having a shift where it's all A-line people and no C-line people?
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Does A80 get a lot of center transfers? How do they fare in general?
hpwjuicebox
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If its all A but no C they just have everyone depart VFR and contact Center.
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I think maybe two people have all three. There are a few A pluses that have departure as well. They haven’t crossed trained in 10 years so that’s becoming less of a thing.
There’s no protection. There have been times in the past that certain lines have been heavy either way but it doesn’t make a huge difference. Where it starts to suck is if you are looking for leave and it would leave them short a A or C liner and they won’t approve it. Or if you’re trying to swap with someone who is on the other line and it would short the numbers one way or the other.
Not really. But the success rate is the same either way. I came from a center. It’s just a different kind of ATC.
Center busy is 20 plus on frequency and thinking about what you need to do to fix that one pair of reds that is crossing out in 5 minutes. A80 busy is having way less on frequency but thinking about what transmission you need to make right now to make this sequence work so you’re not out of the final box for the next 20 minutes.
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At C90 we have two "areas" and bid together as well . Everyone works ORD arrival. When they come in we make try to make sure they are split up by seniority/crew so the whole We/Th crew isn't all one side. That being said we have 32 "full roomers" so that helps keep things balanced.
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C90? Who cares about them?
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Is there any incentive/benefit to cross training to all positions?
AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise
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Chicks dig a cross trained man
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No, other than just getting to work more stuff. Can get boring working the same 3-4 positions all day long for 10 years. The only cross training they ever really did was A liners on departure, and that’s because it fairly easy and most people could get checked out quickly.
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No, most people dropped their cross trained positions since they’ve gotten them. It isn’t worth fixing management’s staffing problems by volunteering to do more work. They need to hire enough people nationwide so we aren’t 25-30% less staffed than we are supposed to be staffed at for 2152s.
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