Advice for getting hired into ATC (Pool 1 vs. Vet. vs. Pool 2)

[DisBoi17]

Hey y'all! So I am a junior in High School and have been researching so much trying to figure out how to get into Air Traffic Controlling. I have read many forums, but many seem to be outdated so I just wanted to reconfirm some of my prior suspicious and ask y'all if Pool 1 or Pool 2 is better for hiring purposes. In 2021, I am led to believe that you must take the *ATSA in either pool and your FAA hiring odds are based on which score you get. You must have around 3 years of Aviation experience to take the *ATSA. If you are in Pool 2, you must also take a Biographical Assessment which is apparently not very friendly for many people, for only around 33% of people end up passing. I am also led to believe that however amount of people are taken in Pool 1, Pool 2 must take around that same amount (10% above or below). I am ready to go to college and do an AT-CTI program, but the more I am researching, the more I am realizing that Pool 2 may just be a good option, and if I were to fail the Biographical Assessment, do terrible on the *ATSA, or the FAA not having any openings during that time, then I could just major in commercial piloting (while getting experience for taking the *ATSA), instead of wasting money on an Air Traffic Management course. Anyway, which Pool should I go though to have the best odds, and are my facts correctly stated? Thank ya for reading!

 

[Termine]

Your information is very dated... read the FAQ on this site. You only get Pool 1 by being a veteran or CTI grad. The test is the ATSA, not AT-SAT. The Biographical Assessment (Bio-Q) isn't a thing anymore. etc

 

[Sassyquatch]

SO first of all: a lot of this information is outdated. Second of all: I guarantee all of your questions can be answered in the FAQ section.

The AT-SAT is no longer a thing, it's now the ATSA. You do not need any aviation experience, only 3 year of work experience, 4 years of college, or a combination of both. The BioQ is no longer a thing, either. I believe the 10% difference between the 2 pools has also been taken out of the equation recently, but they give preference to pool 1 applicants.

If you really want to go the CTI route, I suggest having a back-up plan. I wouldn't necessarily recommend getting a CTI degree because of all the reasons you listed OR if you fail the academy. It's ironic because I am CTI and I do think it helped me to some degree but it puts a lot more pressure and strain because of the fact that not everyone passes the academy. There are also some CTI schools that let you minor in ATC and you can major in something else or they have other programs that can help you have other options if ATC never works out.

I would either recommend going through with the military and getting your CTO because you are still pretty young or just live your life, go to college or get a good job and apply through the pool 2 bid every time a bid opens but who knows when the next one will even be.

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

Don’t go CTI. The advantages are minimal, and if you don’t make it to the academy or you fail the academy you’ll have a worthless degree that’s only useful for one career. Go to school for something aviation related like aviation management so you have an understanding of aviation and also have a fall back plan.

 

[Mike Kilo]

Imagine how many people age out of ATC and have an airport management degree. There aren’t enough airports people! ?.

 

[CF]

Took me 5 years from when I got my cti degree to when I got hired and that was during the prime of the hiring push. It worked out for me in the end but I know a lot of people who got a cti degree that never got hired.

 

[Flashy Vectors]

Hey y'all! So I am a junior in High School and have been researching my so much trying to figure out how to get into Air Traffic Controlling. I have read many forums, but many seem to be outdated so I just wanted to reconfirm some of my prior suspicious and ask y'all if Pool 1 or Pool 2 is better for hiring purposes. In 2021, I am led to believe that you must take the AT-SAT in either pool and your FAA hiring odds are based on which score you get. You must have around 3 years of Aviation experience to take the AT-SAT. If you are in Pool 2, you must also take a Biographical Assessment which is apparently not very friendly for many people, for only around 33% of people end up passing. I am also led to believe that however amount of people are taken in Pool 1, Pool 2 must take around that same amount (10% above or below). I am ready to go to college and do an AT-CTI program, but the more I am researching, the more I am realizing that Pool 2 may just be a good option, and if I were to fail the Biographical Assessment, do terrible on the ATSA, or the FAA not having any openings during that time, then I could just major in commercial piloting (while getting experience for taking the ATSA), instead of wasting money on an Air Traffic Management course. Anyway, which Pool should I go though to have the best odds, and are my facts correctly stated? Thank ya for reading!

Apply as OTS in an open bid while pursuing your commercial pilot license or join the military. Don’t wait on the FAA for anything. Apply and forget about it until you get an email.

 

[NCEPT]

I quickly found out that I have a knack for air traffic control. The 3rd day in, the professor asked me to help other students who were struggling.

I can't believe it
Jesus Christ... it's Jason Bourne
Punch his ticket now

 

[XM]

It took you 3 days to become an ATC savant? Those are rookie numbers my man ( or woman I don't judge)

Actually, it's two. First day, we just goofed off...Does that bump my numbers up?? Lmao, but on an honest note, I have a lot to learn and I know that. But it did feel good for someone who was concerned about picking up on the knowledge

Jeez an outsiders reference. That’s obscure even for this place.

What can I say? I'm a classy man

Hey y'all! So I am a junior in High School and have been researching my so much trying to figure out how to get into Air Traffic Controlling. I have read many forums, but many seem to be outdated so I just wanted to reconfirm some of my prior suspicious and ask y'all if Pool 1 or Pool 2 is better for hiring purposes. In 2021, I am led to believe that you must take the *ATSA in either pool and your FAA hiring odds are based on which score you get. You must have around 3 years of Aviation experience to take the *ATSA. If you are in Pool 2, you must also take a Biographical Assessment which is apparently not very friendly for many people, for only around 33% of people end up passing. I am also led to believe that however amount of people are taken in Pool 1, Pool 2 must take around that same amount (10% above or below). I am ready to go to college and do an AT-CTI program, but the more I am researching, the more I am realizing that Pool 2 may just be a good option, and if I were to fail the Biographical Assessment, do terrible on the *ATSA, or the FAA not having any openings during that time, then I could just major in commercial piloting (while getting experience for taking the *ATSA), instead of wasting money on an Air Traffic Management course. Anyway, which Pool should I go though to have the best odds, and are my facts correctly stated? Thank ya for reading!

In all honesty, and on a serious note, do what you believe is best for you, while being reasonable about your choices (primarily financially). I chose CTI school because I needed a foundation to build aviation knowledge. I learn better when I'm exposed to similar things, so if I have a basis to learn ATC from (like Pilot Ground School and Intro to Air Traffic), then I do better in my studies. I may not have what it takes, but I have a passion for it and I'm doing the best I can to be as successful as I can. If ATC doesn't work out for you, whether it's the fact you don't have a passion for it, you age out, or don't have what it takes, have a backup. You stated you could just major in commercial piloting (ATP), and that's honestly a good choice, IMO. Whatever it is that you end up doing, just be happy doing it

 

[Phanatical]

Hey y'all! So I am a junior in High School.....

Take it from someone who has been in and out of the hiring process for the last 7 years... get a degree you can use. A straight up "Aviation" degree will get you much further than CTI. Use your time after graduation to get into the industry either flying or into the management side with the airlines or an airport. You can use the progressive work experience and bachelors to meet the minimum requirements for the application. I won't speak explicitly about what is on the AT-SA but use some time to do research here and I'm sure you can get an idea. I took it with 45 minutes sleep from the day before and got Best Qualified... it's honestly a crapshoot. The FAA doesn't really care about what you know about ATC before you get into the Academy since they will train you there better than any CTI school. The only surefire way to boost your chances is to get ATC experience in the military or go through the military to get a 10-point Veterans preference, but even then it isn't guaranteed.

 

[stonemalone99]

Hey y'all! So I am a junior in High School and have been researching my so much trying to figure out how to get into Air Traffic Controlling. I have read many forums, but many seem to be outdated so I just wanted to reconfirm some of my prior suspicious and ask y'all if Pool 1 or Pool 2 is better for hiring purposes. In 2021, I am led to believe that you must take the *ATSA in either pool and your FAA hiring odds are based on which score you get. You must have around 3 years of Aviation experience to take the *ATSA. If you are in Pool 2, you must also take a Biographical Assessment which is apparently not very friendly for many people, for only around 33% of people end up passing. I am also led to believe that however amount of people are taken in Pool 1, Pool 2 must take around that same amount (10% above or below). I am ready to go to college and do an AT-CTI program, but the more I am researching, the more I am realizing that Pool 2 may just be a good option, and if I were to fail the Biographical Assessment, do terrible on the *ATSA, or the FAA not having any openings during that time, then I could just major in commercial piloting (while getting experience for taking the *ATSA), instead of wasting money on an Air Traffic Management course. Anyway, which Pool should I go though to have the best odds, and are my facts correctly stated? Thank ya for reading!

I'm a few years older than you and in college. Heres my advice. From someone thats in the process of getting hired from the OTS (Off the Street ie anyone can apply) 2020 bid, it's better just to apply with work experience and/or college and your degree doesn't have to be anything aviation related (mine was combination of work experience and my major is in finance). My best advice is do what you have wanted to do before ATC, try that out while applying to OTS bids whenever they pop up. The hiring process is super long, and by long i mean there are people from the June 2019 and January 2020 bid still waiting for class dates. Live your life like normal, keep getting good grades in school if you want to attend a good college. Consider the Air Force ATC program if you want to commit 4-6 years after high school in the military. The good thing about military is if you have a CTO, you can find work at contract towers while waiting to get in the FAA. In addition, you can apply to prior experience bids, and not have to worry about the ATSA or Biographical Assessment. You will have to take a personality test for the FAA no matter which path you take which is the ultimate gatekeeper. Pass it everything's fine, fail it wait another year because the government takes forever to complete paperwork.

All being said good luck to you in school and pursue your career interests!

 

[CF]

I quickly found out that I have a knack for air traffic control.

Sign him off, he’s ready!

 

[32andBelow]

Sign him off, he’s ready!

I told my classmate to turn that guy 5 right and everyone clapped

 

[XM]

Sign him off, he’s ready!

I wish....turns out 2+2 was 5 and the "i before e except after c" saying has more exceptions than every word in the Oxford dictionary, so my kindergarten teacher was wrong

 

[XM]

I can't believe it
Jesus Christ... it's Jason Bourne
Punch his ticket now

Whose ticket? Do I know you? Where am I?

 

[XM]

Imagine how many people age out of ATC and have an airport management degree. There aren’t enough airports people! ?.

I know you're right, but it could get my foot (or anyone else's) in the door anywhere for an aviation-related job, if ATC or Airport Management doesn't work out

 

[XM]

Ncept must speak in haiku. Thems the rules.

Looks like I'm golden, ponyboy?

 

[Robert_Boucher]

Looks like I'm golden, ponyboy?

It took you 3 days to become an ATC savant? Those are rookie numbers my man ( or woman I don't judge)

 

[flying_dutchman]

Join military at 18. Get CTO. Get paid. Get experience. Get out at 22/23. Do contract work while you wait. Join FAA without student loans.

 

[simoviator]

Join military at 18. Get CTO. Get paid. Get experience. Get out at 22/23. Do contract work while you wait. Join FAA without student loans.

? I second this. Also, with Post-9/11 GI Bill, you can get all flight training paid for if you do it through a college as part of a degree program (assuming you still want to be a pilot post-military).