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Hiring Bid FAA-ATO-19-ATCEXP-63736

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Overview
  • Open & closing dates
    09/19/2019 to 09/23/2019
  • Service
    Excepted
  • Pay scale & grade
    AT AG
  • Salary
    $39,663 to $149,743 per year
    The salary range above does not include locality pay. Position and facility location offered will determine final pay band/grade and salary.

  • Appointment type
    Permanent
  • Work schedule
    Full-Time
Location
Many vacancies in the following location:
  • FAA - Air Traffic Locations, United States
Relocation expenses reimbursed
No
Telework eligible
No
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Announcement number
FAA-ATO-19-ATCEXP-63736
Control number
546185100

Duties
Summary

This position is responsible for controlling live air traffic in support of public safety and our National Air Space.

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Responsibilities

THIS ANNOUNCEMENT IS FOR CANDIDATES WHO HAVE MAINTAINED AT LEAST 52 CONSECUTIVE WEEKS OF AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL EXPERIENCE INVOLVING THE FULL-TIME ACTIVE SEPARATION OF AIR TRAFFIC AFTER RECEIPT OF AN ATC CERTIFICATION OR FACILITY RATING WITHIN 5 YEARS OF APPLICATION WHILE SERVING AT:
  • a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) air traffic control facility; OR
  • a civilian or military air traffic control facility of the Department of Defense; OR
  • a tower operating under contract with the FAA under section 47124
APPLICANTS MUST ALSO BE WILLING TO WORK AT ANY FAA AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL FACILITY.
The FAA has Air Traffic Control Facilities in every state as well as Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, and Guam. Air Traffic Control Specialists in the Terminal option control air traffic at airports and give pilots taxiing and takeoff instructions, air traffic clearances, and advice based on their own observations and information from the National Weather Service, Air Route Traffic Control Centers (ARTCCs), flight service stations, pilots, and other sources. They transfer control of aircraft to the ARTCC controller when the aircraft leaves assigned airspace, and they receive control of aircraft coming into assigned airspace.
Air Traffic Control Specialists in the En Route (Center) option give aircraft instructions, air traffic clearances, and advice regarding flight conditions while en route between airports. They provide separation between aircraft flying within the Federal airways or operating into or out of airports.
This is an Air Traffic Control Specialist (ATCS) position responsible for the safe, orderly and expeditious movement of air traffic through the nation's airspace. Additional information regarding these positions is located at: Aviation Careers
  • Applicant geographic area preferences may be used in determining facility placement offers for candidates selected. Ultimately, the type and location of positions offered to each selectee will be based upon the needs of the FAA. If you are selected for a position, you will be informed of the facility location you are being offered. Selectees will be offered a permanent appointment in the ATCS occupation at an FAA facility based on their qualifications and the needs of the agency. Appointees will have their salary set in accordance with the ATCS Collective Bargaining Agreement.

    Positions offered may be:
  • AT-2152 AG - this is the position level for selectees who are NOT former FAA 2152 Certified Professional Controllers (CPC); salary $39,663, plus applicable locality pay based on facility assignment
  • AT-2152 - xD/xF/xG - these are position levels for former FAA developmental controllers rehired within 1 year of separation; salary $48,599 to $110,920 plus applicable locality pay based on facility assignment
  • AT-2152 - DH/EH/FH/GH/HH/IH/JH/KH/LH - these are position levels for former FAA CPCs; salary $51,577 to $149,743 plus applicable locality pay based on facility assignment
  • Appointees will enter the appropriate phase of field training as determined by the assigned facility to prepare for full certification to the CPC level. They must learn the skills needed for operation at higher levels of responsibility.
  • Failure to meet training requirements for or accept promotion to higher grade ATCS positions may constitute grounds for reassignment, demotion or separation from employment
  • You will receive on-the-job training and pay increases, as appropriate, upon successful completion of the progressive phases of controller training at your assigned facility. Part of the on-the-job training may require that you complete certain specific training courses at the FAA Academy in Oklahoma City, OK
Travel Required
Occasional travel - The job may require travel from time- to-time, but not on a regular basis. The travel may be for training or other work-related duties.

Supervisory status
No

Promotion Potential
NA

Job family (Series)
2152 Air Traffic Control

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Requirements
Conditions of Employment
  • US Citizenship is required.
  • Selective Service Registration is required for males born after 12/31/1959.
  • Designated or Random Drug Testing required.
  • Pre-employment Physical is required.
  • 52 WEEKS OF CONSECUTIVE, ATC POST CERTIFICATION EXPERIENCE REQUIRED
  • CONSECUTIVE, POST CERTIFIED EXPERIENCE MUST BE WITHIN THE LAST 5 YEARS
  • COPIES OF CERTIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED PRIOR TO CLOSE DATE.
  • Age requirements; see "Qualifications Required" & "Required Doc." sections.
  • Requirement for nonstandard duty hours or work week.
Qualifications
SPECIALIZED EXPERIENCE: ALL APPLICANTS MUST POSSESS A MINIMUM OF AT LEAST 52 CONSECUTIVE WEEKS OF AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL EXPERIENCE INVOLVING THE FULL-TIME ACTIVE SEPARATION OF AIR TRAFFIC AFTER RECEIPT OF AN ATC CERTIFICATION OR FACILITY RATING WITHIN 5 YEARS OF APPLICATION WHILE SERVING AT:
  • a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) air traffic control facility; OR
  • a civilian or military air traffic control facility of the Department of Defense; OR
  • a tower operating under contract with the FAA under section 47124
This experience must have demonstrated possession of the knowledge, skills and abilities required to perform the level of work. This experience must have provided a comprehensive knowledge of the laws, rules, regulations and procedures governing the movement of air traffic; knowledge of aircraft separation standards and control techniques; and the ability to apply them properly, often under conditions of great stress.
  • Applicants MUST submit copies of certifications prior to the closing date of the announcement. (The 52 weeks of consecutive, certified experience cannot include any FAA Academy or military training time prior to certification, as this is not considered "live" air traffic) and must have been within 5 years of application.
  • Applicants should include examples of specialized experience in their Work History. Work history and supporting certificate(s) MUST support the applicant performing as an ATCS for a minimum of 52 consecutive weeks following the issue date of the certification.
  • Applicants MUST document hours per week within their work history/resume (full time experience is credited as 40 hours per week, part time hours will be pro-rated based on 40 hrs per week).
  • There is no educational substitute for the required 52 weeks of specialized experience.
  • Age Requirements: Notwithstanding section 3307 of title 5, the maximum limit of age for an original appointment to a position as an air traffic controller shall be 35 years of age for those maintaining 52 weeks of air traffic control experience involving the full-time active separation of air traffic after receipt of an air traffic certification or air traffic control facility rating in a civilian or military air traffic control facility. Maximum Retention Age: 5 U.S.C. 8335 (a) and 5 U.S.C. 8425 (a) require mandatory separation at age 56 in a career controller position.
  • Applicants, who are maintaining 52 consecutive weeks of ATC experience, after receipt of an air traffic certification or ATC facility rating, must be age 35 or below, on or before the closing date of the vacancy. Applicants previously appointed by the FAA or DOD as a civilian 2152, must also include a copy of a Notification of Personnel Action (SF-50) that verifies original appointment to the civilian 2152 occupational series prior to reaching the maximum entry age of 35. This would be the first Notification of Personnel Action (SF-50/new-hire action into the 2152 series) received. You must provide a copy of this SF-50 prior to the close date of this vacancy. If you were previously a Certified Professional Controller (CPC) or full performance rated (FPL) Controller, please also include an SF-50 that indicates this level of certification.
  • Service Computation Dates (SCDs) cannot be used for maximum entry age verification purposes, as this could include prior military service and/or current or previous federal civilian service in another occupational series.
  • Applicants who are prior Academy and/or field training failures may not be considered.
  • Basis of Rating: Applications/resumes from qualified candidates will be referred to the selecting official via priority grouping based upon their veterans' preference category.
Education
There is no educational substitute for the required 52 weeks of specialized experience (52 consecutive, post certified ATC experience within 5 years of application).

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Make sure your resume includes detailed information to support your qualifications and answers to the job questionnaire.

Additional information
We may use this vacancy to fill other similar vacant positions.
Position may be subject to a background investigation.
A one-year probationary period may be required.
The person selected for this position may be required to file a financial disclosure statement within 30 days of entry on duty. FAA policy limits certain outside employment and financial investments in aviation-related companies.

This position is covered by the Department of Transportation's Drug and Alcohol Testing Program. Any applicant tentatively selected for this position will be subject to pre-employment or pre-appointment drug screening. Persons occupying a "testing designated position (TDP)" will be subject to random drug and/or alcohol testing.

Entrance on Duty Requirements (EOD): If you are unable to complete all of the pre-employment requirements within 60 days from the date of the Clearance Instruction Letter (CIL), the FAA may rescind your tentative job offer for this vacancy. If you are a current military member in active duty service, you must submit a copy of your DD Form-214, or written documentation (certification) from your branch of service certifying that you are expected to be discharged or released from active duty under honorable conditions no later than 120 days after the date the certification is submitted.
Certified air traffic control experience required; copies of certifications MUST be submitted by the closing date of the announcement. Please include copies of both the front and back of certifications, if applicable. (Ex: Pink card with designated facility or position ratings on the back of card, CTO card with designated facility on the back of card etc). Military training records may also be utilized if it documents the type of facility or position rating earned and the date it was received.

APPLICANTS MUST UPLOAD ALL REQUIRED DOCUMENTS AT THE SAME TIME AS SUBMISSION OF THE ONLINE APPLICATION. FAILURE TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION WILL RESULT IN DISQUALIFICATION. YOU MUST UPLOAD ALL REQUIRED DOCUMENTS IN ORDER FOR YOUR ELIGIBILITY AND QUALIFICATIONS TO BE CONSIDERED.
This is a bargaining unit position.

Links to Important Information: Locality Pay , COLA

How You Will Be Evaluated
You will be evaluated for this job based on how well you meet the qualifications above.

IMPORTANT: Applicants may be rated on the extent and quality of experience, education, and training relevant to the duties of the position(s). All answers provided in the on-line process must be substantiated. Ensure that your application package/resume supports your responses.

Background checks and security clearance
Security clearance
Secret

Drug test required
Yes

Required Documents
Certified air traffic control experience required; copies of certifications MUST be submitted by the closing date of the announcement. Please include copies of both the front and back of certifications, if applicable. Ex: Pink card with designated facility or position ratings on the back of card, CTO card with designated facility on the back of card etc). Military training records may also be utilized if it documents the type of facility or position rating earned and the date it was received. These certifications/training records must match up with experience documented in your resume/work history in order to verify the required 52 consecutive weeks of air traffic control experience involving the full-time active separation of air traffic after receipt of an ATC certification or facility rating within 5 years of application.

Applicants, who are maintaining 52 consecutive weeks of ATC experience, after receipt of an air traffic certification or ATC facility rating, must be age 35 or below, on or before the closing date of the vacancy. SF-50, Personnel Action documentation required prior to announcement closing for validation, see 'Qualifications Required' section for details.

All Veterans: If you are claiming veterans' preference, you must submit either a DD Form 214 Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty (Member 4 Copy or equivalent), or a document from the armed forces certifying that within 120 days you are expected to be discharged or released from active duty service under honorable conditions. If you are claiming 10 point preference, you must also submit a completed SF-15, Application for 10-Point Veteran's Preference, and supporting documents outlined on the SF-15. Documents must be uploaded or faxed to the Servicing Human Resource Management Office listed in this announcement and all documents must be received by the closing date of the announcement. If you fail to submit documentation, you will be assessed as a non-veteran.

If you are claiming 10 point preference but fail to submit the supporting documents outlined on the SF-15, you will be tentatively assessed as a 5 point preference eligible provided your DD Form 214 reflects that you have the service required to qualify for preference. Documents must be uploaded or faxed to the Servicing Human Resource Management Office listed in this announcement and all documents must be received by the closing date of the announcement. If you fail to submit documentation, you will be assessed as a non-veteran.

Veterans currently on active duty claiming veterans' preference: You will be granted tentative preference if you submit a document from the armed forces certifying that within 120 days you are expected to be discharged or released from active duty service under honorable conditions and your application shows that you have the required service. Prior to being appointed, you must provide to the Servicing Human Resource Management Office a DD Form 214 documenting discharge/release and showing that the service was honorable or general. If you are on terminal leave, you must provide documentation certifying authorized terminal leave.

Forms:
  • SF-15 : Application for 10-Point Veteran Preference
If you are relying on your education to meet qualification requirements:
Education must be accredited by an accrediting institution recognized by the U.S. Department of Education in order for it to be credited towards qualifications. Therefore, provide only the attendance and/or degrees from schools accredited by accrediting institutions recognized by the U.S. Department of Education.
Failure to provide all of the required information as stated in this vacancy announcement may result in an ineligible rating or may affect the overall rating.

Benefits
A career with the U.S. Government provides employees with a comprehensive benefits package. As a federal employee, you and your family will have access to a range of benefits that are designed to make your federal career very rewarding. Learn more about federal benefits.

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Eligibility for benefits depends on the type of position you hold and whether your position is full-time, part-time, or intermittent. Contact the hiring agency for more information on the specific benefits offered.

How to Apply
You must apply online to receive consideration. Your application must have a status of "Received" by 11:59 PM Eastern Time on the Close Date for it to be accepted. If you are applying for positions associated with FAA registers, your application must have a status of "Received" each time a referral list is created in order to receive consideration for positions associated with register.

IN DESCRIBING YOUR WORK EXPERIENCE AND/OR EDUCATION, PLEASE BE CLEAR AND SPECIFIC REGARDING YOUR EXPERIENCE OR EDUCATION.

We strongly encourage applicants to utilize the USAJOBS resume builder in the creation of resumes.

Please ensure EACH work history includes ALL of the following information:

  • Job Title (include series and grade if Federal Job)
  • Duties (be specific in describing your duties)
  • Employer's name and address
  • Supervisor name and phone number
  • Start and end dates including month, day and year (e.g. June 18 2007 to April 05 2009)
  • Full-time or part-time status (include hours worked per week)
  • Salary
Determining length of General or Specialized Experience is dependent on the above information and failure to provide ALL of this information may result in a finding of ineligible.

You may upload completed documents to your USAJOBS Account. This will provide you the opportunity to utilize the uploaded information again when applying for future vacancies. Please see this guide, Document Upload Guide, for more information on uploading and re-using the documents in your applications.

Agency contact information
Aviation Careers

Phone
(405) 954-4657

Fax
(405) 954-7902

Email
[email protected]

Address
Federal Aviation Administration
Aviation Careers Branch
6500 S. Macarthur Blvd, HQ Room 139
AHF-C420
Oklahoma City, OK 73169
US
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Next steps
Candidates for FAA positions are evaluated using our Automated Vacancy Information Access Tool for Online Referral (AVIATOR) system. AVIATOR compares your skills and experience as described in your application with the requirements of the position. If you are found to be an eligible, highly-qualified candidate, you will be referred to the selecting official for further consideration. (In some cases, individuals with priority for special consideration must be considered and selected before other candidates.) Whether or not you are contacted for an interview depends upon the location of the position and the judgment of the selecting official.

Important - If you make any change to your application, you must resubmit it. If you change your application and do not resubmit it, your changes will not be considered part of your application package, and your previous application will be considered.

All qualified applicants will be considered regardless of political affiliation, race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, marital status, age, disability, or other non-merit factors. DOT provides reasonable accommodations to applicants with disabilities. If you need a reasonable accommodation for any part of the application and hiring process, please notify us. Decisions on granting reasonable accommodation will be made on a case-by-case basis. Additional information on reasonable accommodations procedures or on EEO Programs is available on Office of Civil Rights (ACR) or by contacting the local FAA Civil Rights Office.
 

nickmag123

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I applied to the May bid and just got my list. If I apply to this, then get a bad facility on the other bid and accept it, start working, can I still proceed with this bid and get a new facility? While already starting with the FAA on the previous bid?
 

IllIlIllIllIllIIl

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I applied to the May bid and just got my list. If I apply to this, then get a bad facility on the other bid and accept it, start working, can I still proceed with this bid and get a new facility? While already starting with the FAA on the previous bid?
No
 

EthanA

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I applied to the May bid and just got my list. If I apply to this, then get a bad facility on the other bid and accept it, start working, can I still proceed with this bid and get a new facility? While already starting with the FAA on the previous bid?

You can decline the first offer and wait to see if you get picked up here.
 

Collins350

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I've been turned down by the May2019 prior experience bid due to not being "120" days out from the military. I'm currently a FWS (cpc) at NGP. My question is, when this current bid closes I'll be 131 days (Feb 2, 2020) out NOT including my 60 days of Terminal leave. If I show that I'll be within 120 including my terminal leave (60 days starting Dec 2nd 2019) will I be denied? My first application intially got referred. I've read both yes and no and i'm just wondering if i should take my chances and apply.
 

Dominipino

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Facility
PNS Pensacola Tower
I've been turned down by the May2019 prior experience bid due to not being "120" days out from the military. I'm currently a FWS (cpc) at NGP. My question is, when this current bid closes I'll be 131 days (Feb 2, 2020) out NOT including my 60 days of Terminal leave. If I show that I'll be within 120 including my terminal leave (60 days starting Dec 2nd 2019) will I be denied? My first application intially got referred. I've read both yes and no and i'm just wondering if i should take my chances and apply.
I’m pretty sure it’s a hard 120 days now regardless of terminal leave. But apply anyway...worst they can say is no right?
 

Collins350

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I’m pretty sure it’s a hard 120 days now regardless of terminal leave. But apply anyway...worst they can say is no right?
Well, I might have a spot here at my current facilitly as a DOD employee once I get out. It's not what I wanted but it'll pay the mortgage. I really just want to get into the FAA and work my way up as soon as possible. I'm trying to see if i can get a TOL prior to me having to accept that DOD job. If I can get the TOL I'll be basically hustling investments to pay the bills until I start getting paid. If not i'll be stuck at this facility for another year or two. I've already been here for 4 years and I'm not doing myself any real favors by staying here.
 

nickmag123

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Well, I might have a spot here at my current facilitly as a DOD employee once I get out. It's not what I wanted but it'll pay the mortgage. I really just want to get into the FAA and work my way up as soon as possible. I'm trying to see if i can get a TOL prior to me having to accept that DOD job. If I can get the TOL I'll be basically hustling investments to pay the bills until I start getting paid. If not i'll be stuck at this facility for another year or two. I've already been here for 4 years and I'm not doing myself any real favors by staying here.
A dude in the may bid post was like 140 out and got a TOL. Terminal counts for 120 days. You will need a service letter signed by a commander.

Just make sure your service letter and resume show the same date.

Here is what i modeled mine after which was successful: نتيجة بحث Google عن الصور حول http://www.netpei.com/cdn/26/2016/756/air-force-statement-of-service-letter_93826.jpg

Get that letter, photo copy your CTO card, and submit them with your application. I also submitted my 3622 (air force ratings document).

I applied may 3rd, got TOL july 9th.

Edit: Here is the number for HR. Call them tommorrow and get a definitive answer.

405-954-4657
 

Dominipino

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FAA
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Facility
PNS Pensacola Tower
Well, I might have a spot here at my current facilitly as a DOD employee once I get out. It's not what I wanted but it'll pay the mortgage. I really just want to get into the FAA and work my way up as soon as possible. I'm trying to see if i can get a TOL prior to me having to accept that DOD job. If I can get the TOL I'll be basically hustling investments to pay the bills until I start getting paid. If not i'll be stuck at this facility for another year or two. I've already been here for 4 years and I'm not doing myself any real favors by staying here.
GS11 step 1 + 3-5% ATC premium, Sunday pay, night diff and holiday pay (at some facilities) is usually double what you get as active duty....unless you’re an officer or something. You don’t have to stay DOD and length of time to accept the FAA job. Apply to both, take the DOD spot and if you get a TOL and clear all the hurdles of the hiring process and get a start date then slide on over. Don’t nuke it.
 

nickmag123

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GS11 step 1 + 3-5% ATC premium, Sunday pay, night diff and holiday pay (at some facilities) is usually double what you get as active duty....unless you’re an officer or something. You don’t have to stay DOD and length of time to accept the FAA job. Apply to both, take the DOD spot and if you get a TOL and clear all the hurdles of the hiring process and get a start date then slide on over. Don’t nuke it.
Some of the civilians at my base were bringing in over 90k (before taxes, according to W2s that i saw) as GS-11's with all the sunday, night dif, and holiday pay. They get bonuses too, and a pretty sweet schedule. They did cover 95% of the mids for us too. Great people, super generous and nice.

I would probably take a DoD slot somewhere i liked over FAA.
 

Collins350

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A dude in the may bid post was like 140 out and got a TOL. Terminal counts for 120 days. You will need a service letter signed by a commander.

Just make sure your service letter and resume show the same date.

Here is what i modeled mine after which was successful: نتيجة بحث Google عن الصور حول http://www.netpei.com/cdn/26/2016/756/air-force-statement-of-service-letter_93826.jpg

Get that letter, photo copy your CTO card, and submit them with your application. I also submitted my 3622 (air force ratings document).

I applied may 3rd, got TOL july 9th.

Edit: Here is the number for HR. Call them tommorrow and get a definitive answer.

405-954-4657
You are the man! My wife hates the city we currently live in and would literally prefer anywhere but here. I'd start at 11 step 3 i believe, but if i can gtfo I'm going to. I'll hunt down my admin advisor, he does all the statments of service for the CO. My current one didnt reflect my terminal leave so I'll have to get right on that!
 

nickmag123

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You are the man! My wife hates the city we currently live in and would literally prefer anywhere but here. I'd start at 11 step 3 i believe, but if i can gtfo I'm going to. I'll hunt down my admin advisor, he does all the statments of service for the CO. My current one didnt reflect my terminal leave so I'll have to get right on that!
No problem. I ended up selling back alall of my leave (32 days) for a solid chunk.

I would give HR a call just to verify, but im 99% sure terminal works. After you get a TOL, send in your DD214 whenever you get it, HR will need it at some point.

Just because I found info hard to find on the exact process, it went in this order for me:

Apply, referred (on USAJOBS), TOL, send back accepted TOL, EODS (tax paper work done online, super easy), CIL (fill out background check info online, do medical, drug test, and MMPI test, doctor signs off medical (can take a few weeks to 4 months for people in the southwest), facility list. Next will be placement, choose start date, FOL.
 

EthanA

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I've been turned down by the May2019 prior experience bid due to not being "120" days out from the military. I'm currently a FWS (cpc) at NGP. My question is, when this current bid closes I'll be 131 days (Feb 2, 2020) out NOT including my 60 days of Terminal leave. If I show that I'll be within 120 including my terminal leave (60 days starting Dec 2nd 2019) will I be denied? My first application intially got referred. I've read both yes and no and i'm just wondering if i should take my chances and apply.
I would get a statement of service that said "release date of XX DEC 2019" that states your term leave start date. I just got mine signed and submitted for this bid (granted Ill be out at 115 as of closing w/o terminal leave).
 

becook3108

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Once you get your TOL there is sheet you will fill out and send back to the FAA that will ask for your terminal and Leave day. I am pretty sure that is what they look at because I got a TOL when I was more than 120 days out but when I accepted the TOL and returned the paperwork with when I was getting out that’s when they rescinded it.
Regardless, there is no such thing as a hard no or yes in this process lol I have a buddy that was over 120 days from the December bid that is just starting here soon so who knows
 

Collins350

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I called HR today and the lady wasn't sure about my question and went to go ask someone else. She wouldn't give me a definitive answer but told me to go ahead and apply. Sooo I'm off to the admin department to get my new statement of service with my "release date " on it.
I'm guessing it's a case by case basis on the 120 days being soft or hard.
 

becook3108

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I called HR today and the lady wasn't sure about my question and went to go ask someone else. She wouldn't give me a definitive answer but told me to go ahead and apply. Sooo I'm off to the admin department to get my new statement of service with my "release date " on it.
I'm guessing it's a case by case basis on the 120 days being soft or hard.
Yeah they told me to go ahead and apply as well. I get out February 1st so basically if we get TOLs in December time frame which would be a quick turnaround we will be fine because we could submit a DD214 whenever they ask
 

Collins350

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Yeah they told me to go ahead and apply as well. I get out February 1st so basically if we get TOLs in December time frame which would be a quick turnaround we will be fine because we could submit a DD214 whenever they ask
I also get out Feb 1st!!
 
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