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There’s no reason it should take this long to vote
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It’s truly mind-numbing to watch this many videos of guys who are straight up deceptive politicians trying to manipulate us into voting for them. Frankly I haven’t actually clicked play on any of them in a while because everybody who’s still in the NEB race can eat my whole ass.
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Yah it’s their fault. Not the social club who isolated all communication to a small group. If they just did the bear minimum and negotiated our contract people would just continue to ignore them like they did in the past.
Is rich and mich part of it? Yes they were. But they are the only ones who are showing they are listening to the regular members now due to the 20%
Oh no a place members can vent without hearing call me and tell me your name and facility
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You literally posted a bunch of natca members facilities and names last week on ATC2. Absolute retard.
Well if you phrase the NCEPT list that way, yes
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Honestly the Union needs to be held up against the wall. Undoubtedly you will not agree, but the light is being shown on every position (I still think a family with two A114 positions seems highly sus) with the air of public accountability and a sense of power that for the first time the general membership has never had. The whole incident involving the North West Mountain Region alone should be looked into, though Navarro seems to hold to one side and Steph another.
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The northwest thing is what people should have expected though. You have this whole movement shitting on people that do things full time for the union, but then we want to get mad when they pack up and leave and tell the new people good luck.
Plus ATC2 went beyond that with shit about Nick's personal life.
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Agreed, to an extent. Leaving office or volunteered positions should not have the byproduct of having information deleted that could help members solely because (for example) one person worked on it then decided to pack up and go home due to losing. Now if it was a "personal" project (ie... just for shits and giggles, a replacement bidding system that worked well for that region) I could totally understand it. If the intent was to "pack up" their toys and go home while fucking over the membership, I have a problem with that.
I will counter Nick's personal life with (not justifying just pointing out) that public figures are open to scrutiny from all sides. Most of the time an individual's personal life is a good indicator at how they will be in a professional setting and how they will wield power. Side note: I took time to watch the "Candidate Forum" (honestly a farce if you ask me, but that opinion aside) and the lack of substance was startling. A few people asked about PPL and it took until the 3rd question on it for Nick to give something of an answer after the previous two answers were all politician speak.
All that said, my own personal views involve term limits. We need to keep the perspectives and ideas on what "progression" means for the membership as a whole fresh, term limits does this. The constant rotation of personnel will help to facilitate change at a greater pace, this worked or this did not work. Those who say "they have no experience" are full of it because there will be a whole host of individuals to provide advice while beholden the office holders on a more personal level to the members.
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all the RVPs are getting official time to transition so no I wouldn’t expect them to sabotage their replacement. Unless they forgo the official time and go to the lab.
You are the trump fan you hate
You’re a total lying fraud. You shadow ban the truth on that abomination of a site you created. That thing couldn’t have done more damage to this union if it was made by Trumps next administrator.
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I'll bite because it is a slow day here:
1. How is Lenny a lying fraud? The man has never hid who he was or what he stood for?
2. Lenny has stated multiple times he is not a mod or even the creator of the sub, seems to be quite a bit of a reach no?
3. The Union was always damaged and its corruption has only increased with time, with the present being an uncontrolled outlet for criticism. In this particular case that sub gave a voice (for good or ill) to the disenfranchised and the angry members allowing those who seek change to weaponize public opinion.
You have a massive amount of vitriol as the Union crumbles, NATCA's collapse is inevitable (my opinion, if Nick is elected it will speed it up even more) and part of the natural order of things. I suspect NATCA will eventually be replaced by a new entity that will be much more aggressive in pursing our various rights.
There are millions of federal employees. Name a federal sector union that has gotten its employees more pay/rights that we should be mimicking.
Some of these NDJH supporters act like the truth is Nick and Jamal themselves. Like they’re Jesus Christ and they are the way the truth and the life. What “truth” has been banned? Having one person with 8 accounts trying to give different reasons NDJH is so great isn’t “truth”. The seeming problem with atc2 is that actual truth is getting put out. And the truth that’s been exposed has been so wild that even the misinformation is believable. The misinformation is a problem but the truth has fueled that. Theres a lot of blame that can be shared all around.
The biggest problem is the negativity. But people are rightfully upset to learn that they’re paying into an organization that is A. Abusing their dues B. Withholding information and actively trying to deceive them ( I’ll use the grassroots orchestrated social media tactic as one example) and C. Not only NOT fighting for their rights but in the case of PPL trying to take them away. No one paid a whole lot of attention to what has been going on and this election made people pay attention. People have a right to be angry. It’ll settle after the election and people will go back to not paying attention.
NATCA doesn’t have to fall apart; it can just rebrand and refocus on its original goal.
Mission, Values & Vision.
This mission has been lost. But I think we can get it back and I think all the drama of this election will be a catalyst for change and different people will want to get involved.
The biggest problem is the negativity. But people are rightfully upset to learn that they’re paying into an organization that is A. Abusing their dues B. Withholding information and actively trying to deceive them ( I’ll use the grassroots orchestrated social media tactic as one example) and C. Not only NOT fighting for their rights but in the case of PPL trying to take them away. No one paid a whole lot of attention to what has been going on and this election made people pay attention. People have a right to be angry. It’ll settle after the election and people will go back to not paying attention.
NATCA doesn’t have to fall apart; it can just rebrand and refocus on its original goal.
Mission, Values & Vision.
This mission has been lost. But I think we can get it back and I think all the drama of this election will be a catalyst for change and different people will want to get involved.
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I did not mention pay, though being aggressive with it considering our importance should be a top consideration (I struggle to understand NDJH advocating for differentials, while at its core would not be a good thing as they do not carry into retirement). We are in an era of too much collaboration, full stop. It has proven both good and bad though has evolved into more bad than good. NCEPT alone is proof of that and the dismemberment of N90 (controversial and while we agree it needs to happen the way it was conducted is absolutely horrid / see my FOIA thread where NATCA still has not told us what they got for supporting it). NATCA telling us that it would be impossible to vote on privatization is another one, sure it will probably not happen in our careers but removing our voice from the process (by leadership) is extremely concerning to say the least.
Also as for a federal union that is aggressive and assertive, yes I know I am limited to the NCR at present, but NTEU which represents 150,000 employees (roughly). I'll leave you to google examples of them but what I have heard (first hand) still leaves me impressed.
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Whoever represents the FDIC/SEC
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