NATCA Seniority Time Error & Past Bidding

[slater]

Question. When I transferred to a new facility they did not record my prior BUE time of 12 months which was earned during the white book. I resigned from the FAA and came back in the current book. They only counted my 2nd BUE time in the agency.

Bidding commenced without this time on file at my new facility and lost decent days off, but oddly both times counted was at my old facility. Current facility said they saw prior service but wasn't sure and marked it as zero?

Anyhow. It's been fixed. It's placed me 4 spots up and would have had weekends off. Can I politely argue this to fix my current schedule?

I like to not wait for the next round of bidding and 5 months out to 2025 for it to count. Make sense?

Thank you.

 

[GulfCharlie]

Question. When I transferred to a new facility they did not record my prior BUE time of 12 months which was earned during the white book. I resigned from the FAA and came back in the current book. They only counted my 2nd BUE time in the agency.

Bidding commenced without this time on file at my new facility and lost decent days off, but oddly both times counted was at my old facility. Current facility said they saw prior service but wasn't sure and marked it as zero?

Anyhow. It's been fixed. It's placed me 4 spots up and would have had weekends off. Can I politely argue this to fix my current schedule?

I like to not wait for the next round of bidding and 5 months out to 2025 for it to count. Make sense?

Thank you.

I would.

 

[32andBelow]

They should re bid.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

At every facility I have been they posted a seniority list with dates and it was each controller's responsibility to verify their date was correct prior to bidding. Did anything like this happen?

 

[CF]

At every facility I have been they posted a seniority list with dates and it was each controller's responsibility to verify their date was correct prior to bidding. Did anything like this happen?

This was what I was thinking. Seniority is handled by the union so if they provided wrong info I’m not sure the agency will be open to blowing up the schedule for a couple of months to fix the unions mistake.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Fuck ups like this are more common than you think (you would think it would never happen). In the vast majority of cases, the person in your position gets ignored or gets major pushback, even if they are correct. Generally, it is easier for them (the FAA and NATCA) to you only you pissed and continue to bid in the spot you are used to, then shuffle seniority, piss off the four you pass, and have to deal with them instead.

 

[Geeare27]

This was what I was thinking. Seniority is handled by the union so if they provided wrong info I’m not sure the agency will be open to blowing up the schedule for a couple of months to fix the unions mistake.

This is a really good point. To be blunt, it really isn't the FAAs problem that this happened and I'm really not sure if they have any obligation to fix it for the union? It's certainly not something you can grieve, which makes me think management can tell your local to pound sand

You can maybe file an internal grievance against your local but like, it almost certainly won't result in your schedule being changed

 

[32andBelow]

At every facility I have been they posted a seniority list with dates and it was each controller's responsibility to verify their date was correct prior to bidding. Did anything like this happen?

It’s the contract it’s not our responsibility

 

[123atct]

Question. When I transferred to a new facility they did not record my prior BUE time of 12 months which was earned during the white book. I resigned from the FAA and came back in the current book. They only counted my 2nd BUE time in the agency.

Bidding commenced without this time on file at my new facility and lost decent days off, but oddly both times counted was at my old facility. Current facility said they saw prior service but wasn't sure and marked it as zero?

Anyhow. It's been fixed. It's placed me 4 spots up and would have had weekends off. Can I politely argue this to fix my current schedule?

I like to not wait for the next round of bidding and 5 months out to 2025 for it to count. Make sense?

Thank you.

100% rebid if they don’t file a grievance.

 

[ManBearPig]

It’s the contract it’s not our responsibility

???

Article 83 Section 1: Seniority will be determined by the Union.

 

[SquawkHijack]

This is solely a union issue.

Article 24, Section 9 and Article 83, Section 1 explain why.

EDIT: I would also grieve it and when they ask what you’re seeking for resolution I would say either Saturday Sunday off and if they aren’t willing to do that I would demand a re-bid for RDOs. Good luck.

 

[123atct]

You can still file a grievance against the union for going against the contract, they’ll ask you how you want to remedy it and you say I want Saturday Sunday off

 

[32andBelow]

???

Article 83 Section 1: Seniority will be determined by the Union.

Yah but they aren’t allowed to just do it however they want. There’s still a process

 

[SquawkHijack]

Yah but they aren’t allowed to just do it however they want. There’s still a process

It’s still the union that determines seniority tho, the agency has no stock in this particular issue.

 

[rugbydog11]

I'd absolutely seek to be made right.

 

[123atct]

It will still go to higher ups in the union even if the agency doesn’t care about seniority. The union local can’t just skip someone during bidding because they got their date wrong and they say ‘oh welll we’re the union and we determine seniority.’ It def needs to be fixed and if your facrep wont help you, go to your RVP with it

 

[Phillytroll69]

Question. When I transferred to a new facility they did not record my prior BUE time of 12 months which was earned during the white book. I resigned from the FAA and came back in the current book. They only counted my 2nd BUE time in the agency.

Bidding commenced without this time on file at my new facility and lost decent days off, but oddly both times counted was at my old facility. Current facility said they saw prior service but wasn't sure and marked it as zero?

Anyhow. It's been fixed. It's placed me 4 spots up and would have had weekends off. Can I politely argue this to fix my current schedule?

I like to not wait for the next round of bidding and 5 months out to 2025 for it to count. Make sense?

Thank you.

You just noticed now? I believe it is your responsibility to make sure you are bidding at the correct time. The faa doesn't wnat to fix it and the union won't this late. Sorry it's too late on the year lmao

 

[KP-ATC]

You bid schedule and leave once a year. Get your seniority date un-fucked and you'll be in a better spot next year.

 

[slater]

At every facility I have been they posted a seniority list with dates and it was each controller's responsibility to verify their date was correct prior to bidding. Did anything like

You just noticed now? I believe it is your responsibility to make sure you are bidding at the correct time. The faa doesn't wnat to fix it and the union won't this late. Sorry it's too late on the year lmao

No. I said something the moment I arrived and was explained it didn't matter anyway and to get it fixed before I CPCd (which seemed fair enough) but still pursued my documentation. Took me some time to get my original SF50. All in all 7 months to fix it.

You bid schedule and leave once a year. Get your seniority date un-fucked and you'll be in a better spot next year.

I've been mellow about it. But it does make a difference and why I was curious. It wouldn't screw anyone over on the training side where I'm at and don't want to obviously piss anyone off or I wouldnt do it. Id gladly change my leave bidding to have time with my family. M/T to S/S.

Before I pursue it, I wanted to be informed, approaching it carefully with others in mind. Because after this year it'll be in effect for ever anyway.

 

[bravounite33]

Did you bid your RDOs this year as a trainee or a CPC? Assuming you bid as a trainee, would your seniority error have had you bid a different set of RDOs or were you still senior enough on the trainees side that it didn't matter?

Only say that because if you checked out during the year, most facilities should be defaulting to leaving you on the RDOs you were on as a trainee since that's what you bid all your leave on. You would only change RDOs if an imbalance was created somehow by you checking out and staying those days.

If all of this happened with you bidding as a CPC, that's a different story and I agree with most people above. Management shouldn't be bothered with an error done by the Union. Your FacRep should be the one trying to correct his error with management though and if that isn't happening, get your ARVP and RVP brought into the mix as they would probably love to hear of a FacRep not honoring seniority. Worst case, make sure it's fixed for 2025 bidding.