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Ramp_rat

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I separated from the Agency in January of 2019 (government shutdown) from my level 7 Up/Down, but am now looking to get back in. My case is a complicated one as I never CPC'd however according to the most recent verbiage on the open bids, the requirement for reinstatement suggests certification on a control position for more than 52 weeks, as well as surpass the 1-year probationary period, of which I have both achieved. HR seems to agree that I am in fact eligible for re-instatement on prior experience bids. However My SF-50 does not indicate when I certified, just that I had reached D2 pay (as well as start/resignation date).

Does anyone have any recommendations for what types of documents I can get that show date of certification? Would a letter from my former ATM suffice, or is there some other document I should request?
 
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BradR03

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Apologies to change the subject here, but figured it was somewhat related. I separated from the Agency in January of 2019 (government shutdown) from my level 7 Up/Down, but am now looking to get back in. My case is a complicated one as I never CPC'd however according to the most recent verbiage on the open bids, the requirement for reinstatement suggests certification on a control position for more than 52 weeks, as well as surpass the 1-year probationary period, of which I have both achieved. HR seems to agree that I am in fact eligible for re-instatement on prior experience bids. However My SF-50 does not indicate when I certified, just that I had reached D2 pay (as well as start/resignation date).

Does anyone have any recommendations for what types of documents I can get that show date of certification? Would a letter from my former ATM suffice, or is there some other document I should request?
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Apologies to change the subject here, but figured it was somewhat related. I separated from the Agency in January of 2019 (government shutdown) from my level 7 Up/Down, but am now looking to get back in. My case is a complicated one as I never CPC'd however according to the most recent verbiage on the open bids, the requirement for reinstatement suggests certification on a control position for more than 52 weeks, as well as surpass the 1-year probationary period, of which I have both achieved. HR seems to agree that I am in fact eligible for re-instatement on prior experience bids. However My SF-50 does not indicate when I certified, just that I had reached D2 pay (as well as start/resignation date).

Does anyone have any recommendations for what types of documents I can get that show date of certification? Would a letter from my former ATM suffice, or is there some other document I should request?
Don’t be afraid to make a new thread. This is a unique situation that probably would be better served with its own topic.
 

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I separated from the Agency in January of 2019 (government shutdown) from my level 7 Up/Down, but am now looking to get back in. My case is a complicated one as I never CPC'd however according to the most recent verbiage on the open bids, the requirement for reinstatement suggests certification on a control position for more than 52 weeks, as well as surpass the 1-year probationary period, of which I have both achieved. HR seems to agree that I am in fact eligible for re-instatement on prior experience bids. However My SF-50 does not indicate when I certified, just that I had reached D2 pay (as well as start/resignation date).

Does anyone have any recommendations for what types of documents I can get that show date of certification? Would a letter from my former ATM suffice, or is there some other document I should request?
Your CTO if it was a tower cert?
 

Ramp_rat

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Separated prior to receiving my CTO, unfortunately. So it certainly looks bad that I only certified on Ground Control/FD/CD, however unless I'm mistaken that still counts as a control position. HR mentioned I could obtain a "Conversion SF-50" which shows my time following academy graduation, do you know if that would help?
 

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CTO would be great if you fully certified in the tower. Otherwise doesn't your SF-50 show the effective date of the D2 promotion, which you don't get until certifying on at least one control position? Or is the situation that you were certified on (e.g.) FD for more than 52 weeks, but didn't get full D2 until later so that's less than 52?

Could you contact the training people there and ask if they still have your pumpkin folder?
 

BradR03

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Separated prior to receiving my CTO, unfortunately. So it certainly looks bad that I only certified on Ground Control/FD/CD, however unless I'm mistaken that still counts as a control position. HR mentioned I could obtain a "Conversion SF-50" which shows my time following academy graduation, do you know if that would help?
What’s up man, hope things are going well for you! I thought the username looked familiar
 

Ramp_rat

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thanks for the information everyone. I'll look into the pumpkin files I assume thats just my training reports? Our facility combined all three CD/FD/and GC so I certified on all at once.

BradR03 I'll send you a PM, its good to hear from you man!
 

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Reinstatement is a bitch of a process mostly due to facility ignorance. If the HR you're referring to is in the region you're looking for then your only hurdle is getting the facility to submit the package for your onboarding to them. If you show D2 for the facility as an up/down and can get copies of their -4 showing D2 is certified GC/CD/FD I'd imagine that's enough. As usual, management is oblivious to most things not spoon fed to them.
 

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Reinstatement is a bitch of a process mostly due to facility ignorance. If the HR you're referring to is in the region you're looking for then your only hurdle is getting the facility to submit the package for your onboarding to them. If you show D2 for the facility as an up/down and can get copies of their -4 showing D2 is certified GC/CD/FD I'd imagine that's enough. As usual, management is oblivious to most things not spoon fed to them.
He’s not eligible for the reinstatement hiring track. It’s a ”reinstatement“ to federal employment. Different meanings.
 

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Reinstatement is a bitch of a process mostly due to facility ignorance. If the HR you're referring to is in the region you're looking for then your only hurdle is getting the facility to submit the package for your onboarding to them. If you show D2 for the facility as an up/down and can get copies of their -4 showing D2 is certified GC/CD/FD I'd imagine that's enough. As usual, management is oblivious to most things not spoon fed to them.
This is the best answer, since your situation is not 100% cookie cutter, the hardest part will be to get HR, a ATM, and whoever else to spend 15 minutes looking at your case, and then interpreting it properly.

A daunting task, that’s for sure.

Maybe you have a slight better chance now with few side projects, hiring and travel going on and January/February generally being a slower time for traffic and administrative shit.
 

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This is the best answer, since your situation is not 100% cookie cutter, the hardest part will be to get HR, a ATM, and whoever else to spend 15 minutes looking at your case, and then interpreting it properly.

A daunting task, that’s for sure.

Maybe you have a slight better chance now with few side projects, hiring and travel going on and January/February generally being a slower time for traffic and administrative shit.
On the flip side there are lots of atms and reps that would love someone good personality, but ran into bad circumstances, and would totally get them in the building.
 

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He's not eligible for CPC reinstatement, as MJ said. He's simply trying to figure out whether he qualifies for a prior experience bid or if he would have to bid off the street again.
 

MJ

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My bad, he'd still fall under reentrant though wouldn't he?
Yeah. "CPC Reinstatement" is a specific hiring path for the FAA, reinstatement, reentrant, et al are more general employment terms for setting career status, pay, etc.

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To OP, I don't think you're eligible for exp bids. Here's the definitions the FAA uses. Apply anyway, but I wouldn't count on getting an offer from it.
 
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Momo

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your promotion date should verify certification. For an up/down, you don't need to be CPC but you have to have a CTO for 52 weeks to qualify for reinstatement and they will send you back to your old facility. I don't think GC/FD counts. your best bet is the general bid.
 

Ramp_rat

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Thank you everyone for the information, there is a lot of good info here! That does surprise me that GC is not considered a control position but it makes sense that a CTO would be the minimum for reinstatement.

academy round 2 is not the worst thing in the world I suppose, will give it a shot. Actually an interesting thing I noticed is that I did actually apply on the general bid last year. Took the BioQ but didn’t bother with the ATSA. USAjobs says my ATSA score placed me qualified but I was not selected for the pool, so it effectively carried over my score from 2017. Maybe wishful thinking but maybe the entire academy process can be streamlined through the general bid, I’ve never heard of anyone trying this before.

The other question I have is that since I surpassed the 1-year probation, that means I’m age locked correct?
 
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Cheese6432

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Double check the announcement when it gets posted. I know for DoD jobs is specifically states you need a CTO. From what I remember with FAA prior bids, it just requires 52 consecutive weeks of issuing control instruction to aircraft, so just a GC cert would be enough. I’ve had friends apply through that before. I would apply either way, you could get picked up. Otherwise, let them tell you no. Also having a prior SF-50 within a government agency, OPM policy would be to match or give you equivalent pay.
 
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