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[Peter Gibbons]

I don’t disagree with any of that, but as automation increases, people who are needed to maintain that automation increases as well, even if they don’t completely equal the labor needed before the automation occurred. Regardless of any automation, the drive to become better than how you are now needs to be promoted and encouraged, by government subsidy if necessary.

I mean it appears we mostly agree aside from how aggressive we need to be about it.

The way I see it, as you just said, sure, jobs will increase in tech services, but there's not as many guys maintaining as there is machines, or there'd be no point to the tech to begin with, coupled with rising population, still equals a shortage of jobs. And just becasue the jobs aren't there doesn't mean the goods still aren't being produced and sold, it just means the people who own the factories and the trucks don't have to pay someone a wage, furthering the wealth gap and keeping us mortals down where we belong.

So it's either mass population control so we can maintain capitalism and everyone be gainfully employed or some form of quasi-socialism. Your choice lol.

 

[Shikaka]

I mean it appears we mostly agree aside from how aggressive we need to be about it.

The way I see it, as you just said, sure, jobs will increase in tech services, but there's not as many guys maintaining as there is machines, or there'd be no point to the tech to begin with, coupled with rising population, still equals a shortage of jobs. And just becasue the jobs aren't there doesn't mean the goods still aren't being produced and sold, it just means the people who own the factories and the trucks don't have to pay someone a wage, furthering the wealth gap and keeping us mortals down where we belong.

So it's either mass population control so we can maintain capitalism and everyone be gainfully employed or some form of quasi-socialism. Your choice lol.

Don't you know man, socialism scares and jobs for everyone are leftovers of the 50s. Remnants of a bygone era where people hated socialism so much but dammit you better contribute to capitalism otherwise you're worthless.

The worst thing holding back humanity is the baby boomers and their bullshit theories on life.

 

[32andBelow]

Don't you know man, socialism scares and jobs for everyone are leftovers of the 50s. Remnants of a bygone era where people hated socialism so much but dammit you better contribute to capitalism otherwise you're worthless.

The worst thing holding back humanity is the baby boomers and their bullshit theories on life.

Socialism is not communism.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

The worst thing holding back humanity is the baby boomers and their bullshit theories on life.

Ya sadly the boomer generation mentality lives on, my worry is much like the environment, we keep making excuses and pawning it off on our kids and boom, desert dirty air forest fire planet with no jobs and no voice to change it because the rich and powerful are doing just fine and have all the control.

How we put that ideal on a pedestal blows my mind.

Now shut up and eat your soylent.

 

[Homsar]

I mean it appears we mostly agree aside from how aggressive we need to be about it.

The way I see it, as you just said, sure, jobs will increase in tech services, but there's not as many guys maintaining as there is machines, or there'd be no point to the tech to begin with, coupled with rising population, still equals a shortage of jobs. And just becasue the jobs aren't there doesn't mean the goods still aren't being produced and sold, it just means the people who own the factories and the trucks don't have to pay someone a wage, furthering the wealth gap and keeping us mortals down where we belong.

So it's either mass population control so we can maintain capitalism and everyone be gainfully employed or some form of quasi-socialism. Your choice lol.

I’m libertarian when it comes to civil/individual rights, but less so when it comes to government bureaucracy. The government should indeed step in and provide the extra opportunity for able people to succeed and better themselves, but I’m less sympathetic to people who abuse said systems. I’m all for a government who gives people the benefit of the doubt on the first receipt of help, but if they’re not making themselves productive members of society, they should be cut off.

 

[Shikaka]

Socialism is not communism.

That's true and meaningless, it's a synonymous term among common discussion therefore unless arguing the differences of socialism and communism it's pointless to bring it up since that would divert from the arguement at hand.

 

[32andBelow]

That's true and meaningless, it's a synonymous term among common discussion therefore unless arguing the differences of socialism and communism it's pointless to bring it up since that would divert from the arguement at hand.

No it’s meaningful. Social safety net is popular. But communism is not. When socialist programs are called communist its bullshit.

 

[Phillyman2633]

No it’s meaningful. Social safety net is popular. But communism is not. When socialist programs are called communist its bullshit.

Social safety net is one point of socialism. Socialism is communism except with decentralized programs.

 

[GulfCharlie]

Social safety net is one point of socialism. Socialism is communism except with decentralized programs.

This right here.

 

[32andBelow]

Social safety net is one point of socialism. Socialism is communism except with decentralized programs.

Lmao no it’s not. Communism has no private companies. Socialism Does

 

[GulfCharlie]

Lmao no it’s not. Communism has no private companies. Socialism Does

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[32andBelow]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Social programs. Whatever. You know what I mean.

 

[Shikaka]

Lmao no it’s not. Communism has no private companies. Socialism Does

This is...absurdly wrong...

 

[SharkBait]

My main concern with it is where does it stop? Once we socialize medical stuff we will run into a shortfall of medical doctors and nurses like everywhere else that does it. The money keeps the brightest of minds flowing into the hardest jobs in the nation. The US has more medical advancements than any other country, why? We pay for the most, big pharma and all them want that so they develop breaking edge treatments. I think a solution we all could get behind is allowing ALL debt to be forgiven under ALL bankruptcies, remove all goverment backing on school loans, then everyone gets what they want. You want free school? Prove to a bank that you can repay the debt or dont go. No more 17th century irish dance majors, more STEM graduates, everyone wins.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Social programs. Whatever. You know what I mean.

My God this just became r/lost generation lmao. Just stop.

Now if you wanted to say, for example you can have socialized aspects for your society, and still have markets, private property, western democratic norms etc, and it be considered a socialist society, I'd agree, there's a few ideologies and theoretical types of government that work this way without the authoritarianism people associate with communism, and rightly so, because thay shit is a no go.

But that's not at all what you are doing, and just as much as I think pure capitalism, is harmful, I think the same at the other end of the spectrum too. There's lots of in between, but the one word descriptor of "socialism" typically means communism, at least in American political speak.

 

[Shikaka]

Not to mention most European social programs would come to a complete halt if they had to actually provide for their own defense instead of suckling upon the U.S. military.

 

[32andBelow]

My God this just became r/lost generation lmao. Just stop.

Now if you wanted to say, for example you can have socialized aspects for your society, and still have markets, private property, western democratic norms etc, and it be considered a socialist society, I'd agree, there's a few ideologies and theoretical types of government that work this way without the authoritarianism people associate with communism, and rightly so, because thay shit is a no go.

But that's not at all what you are doing, and just as much as I think pure capitalism, is harmful, I think the same at the other end of the spectrum too. There's lots of in between, but the one word descriptor of "socialism" typically means communism, at least in American political speak.

I just mean like the way people call Norway and Sweden socialist

 

[AB19]

I just find it funny that you guys think people need to contribute to society to have meaning, and that you determine what they contribute just by the work they do. Arts has value to society, music has value to society. Society is not economy, and when there isn't jobs left people should be free to study things that they find interesting, whether that is advancing the chemical field or being a historian on 16th century african culture. Society should move towards a post work state.

 

[Shikaka]

I just mean like the way people call Norway and Sweden socialist

 

[Phillyman2633]

I just find it funny that you guys think people need to contribute to society to have meaning, and that you determine what they contribute just by the work they do. Arts has value to society, music has value to society. Society is not economy, and when there isn't jobs left people should be free to study things that they find interesting, whether that is advancing the chemical field or being a historian on 16th century african culture. Society should move towards a post work state.

All of those things you just descibed... are called jobs.

What kind of absurd future are you pushing? You wanna watch anime and sink into your couch and eat caramel popcorn and cash a paycheck? Supporting people who are disabled or single parents is one thing....moving towards a "post-work state" is fucking crazy and doesnt even merit further comment.