Supervisor to controller

[trueblue]

Can anyone fill me in on the current process to go from a supervisor position back to a controller? Is there a time requirement for how long you have to stay a supervisor before you can apply back to a controller job? Are there restrictions on what facilities/what level facilities you can apply to? Would you contact ATMs at those facilities and apply directly?

Also, any updated info on the current reinstatement process? Is it still where you can leave for a year and then apply directly to whatever facility you want to try for? I know that's taking a major chance, though, since those rules could change again at any time, but I worked both contract and DoD before the FAA so it is tempting to go back just to get unstuck from here and then try to reapply.

Honestly, I'm just feeling out my options. I'm currently stuck at a very low level facility with ABSOLUTELY NO HOPE for the unforeseeable future of when we'll have enough manning to release even one person, and I know there will be like 10 of us competing to get out when the chance does come. And then what? We can only ERR to level 6-8 facilities since higher ones won't take us no matter what our experience was even before the FAA?
Taking my chances with a Sup job or a Reinstatement seem quite tempting sometimes, all things considered. Anyone want to talk me off of those cliffs?

 

[DankVectorz]

N90

 

[jdatc]

Can anyone fill me in on the current process to go from a supervisor position back to a controller? Is there a time requirement for how long you have to stay a supervisor before you can apply back to a controller job? Are there restrictions on what facilities/what level facilities you can apply to? Would you contact ATMs at those facilities and apply directly?

Also, any updated info on the current reinstatement process? Is it still where you can leave for a year and then apply directly to whatever facility you want to try for? I know that's taking a major chance, though, since those rules could change again at any time, but I worked both contract and DoD before the FAA so it is tempting to go back just to get unstuck from here and then try to reapply.

Honestly, I'm just feeling out my options. I'm currently stuck at a very low level facility with ABSOLUTELY NO HOPE for the unforeseeable future of when we'll have enough manning to release even one person, and I know there will be like 10 of us competing to get out when the chance does come. And then what? We can only ERR to level 6-8 facilities since higher ones won't take us no matter what our experience was even before the FAA?
Taking my chances with a Sup job or a Reinstatement seem quite tempting sometimes, all things considered. Anyone want to talk me off of those cliffs?

How long have you been there that you already at the edge?

None of those choices are appealing.

How about article 60, have you been there long enough to use that?

 

[MJ]

Would you contact ATMs at those facilities and apply directly?

They post bids.

Also, any updated info on the current reinstatement process? Is it still where you can leave for a year and then apply directly to whatever facility you want to try for?

That is what the policy is. However, districts and NATCA are butchering it.

 

[Dolan]

Can someone tell me exactly what article 60 does and doesn't let you do? Do you get to transfer anywhere you want?

 

[MJ]

Can someone tell me exactly what article 60 does and doesn't let you do? Do you get to transfer anywhere you want?

It gets ignored. NCEPT made it useless.

 

[trueblue]

N90

In desperation, I’ve actually considered it, but with a wife and a bunch of kids, we’d probably be in an even lower financial situation at N90 than at the lvl 5.

 

[Maverick]

Can anyone fill me in on the current process to go from a supervisor position back to a controller? Is there a time requirement for how long you have to stay a supervisor before you can apply back to a controller job? Are there restrictions on what facilities/what level facilities you can apply to? Would you contact ATMs at those facilities and apply directly?

Also, any updated info on the current reinstatement process? Is it still where you can leave for a year and then apply directly to whatever facility you want to try for? I know that's taking a major chance, though, since those rules could change again at any time, but I worked both contract and DoD before the FAA so it is tempting to go back just to get unstuck from here and then try to reapply.

Honestly, I'm just feeling out my options. I'm currently stuck at a very low level facility with ABSOLUTELY NO HOPE for the unforeseeable future of when we'll have enough manning to release even one person, and I know there will be like 10 of us competing to get out when the chance does come. And then what? We can only ERR to level 6-8 facilities since higher ones won't take us no matter what our experience was even before the FAA?
Taking my chances with a Sup job or a Reinstatement seem quite tempting sometimes, all things considered. Anyone want to talk me off of those cliffs?

I’ve been thinking of going to management as well to get out of my facility. Sounds like we have a similar problem to you. Five hardships filed in the past year with another one on the table. I’ve thought about N90 but I want to end up in Atlanta but who knows when that would happen if I did go to N90. Where are you? If you don’t mind me asking

 

[Maintainvfr]

I’ve been thinking of going to management as well to get out of my facility. Sounds like we have a similar problem to you. Five hardships filed in the past year with another one on the table. I’ve thought about N90 but I want to end up in Atlanta but who knows when that would happen if I did go to N90. Where are you? If you don’t mind me asking

He can obviously answer if he wants, but the guy just made a post trying to come up with a way to effectively jump 9 other people trying to get out. I would think saying where he's from, coupled with mentioning he has a wife and multiple kids... Probably not the best idea.

 

[Maverick]

He can obviously answer if he wants, but the guy just made a post trying to come up with a way to effectively jump 9 other people trying to get out. I would think saying where he's from, coupled with mentioning he has a wife and multiple kids... Probably not the best idea.

That’s a good call. Same thing is happening where I’m at. Taking sup jobs to jump everyone trying to get out when that day comes.

 

[Dontbotherme]

Yet, the five hardships, in the last year, aren’t trying to accomplish the same thing as people taking supervisor positions?!? Hmmm

 

[breakaway2000]

Where are you? If you don’t mind me asking

To add on to what @Maintainvfr said, use some discretion, this is what PM's are for.

 

[Maverick]

Yet, the five hardships, in the last year, aren’t trying to accomplish the same thing as people taking supervisor positions?!? Hmmm

I agree. It sucks

 

[Dolan]

It gets ignored. NCEPT made it useless.

That's crazy. I remember at rep training we asked our instructor what the most powerful article in the contract was. He said it was hands down article 60. Just more NCEPT fodder now I guess.

 

[DankVectorz]

That's crazy. I remember at rep training we asked our instructor what the most powerful article in the contract was. He said it was hands down article 60. Just more NCEPT fodder now I guess.

Article 60 says, and has always said, that it's based on the staffing at the current facility and need of the gaining facility. So it's still valid, if you're able to be selected you have priority after 8 years cpc at your facility.

 

[Dolan]

Article 60 says, and has always said, that it's based on the staffing at the current facility and need of the gaining facility. So it's still valid, if you're able to be selected you have priority after 8 years cpc at your facility.

Say a facility can release 1, and 2 controllers are trying to get out. One has article 60 priority and wants to go somewhere ranked #150 on the PPT (but still under 100% staffing) and the other does not have article 60 priority and wants to go to #5 on the PPT. If what you're saying is true then the article 60 guy gets to go.

 

[DoubleO7]

I’ve been thinking of going to management as well to get out of my facility. Sounds like we have a similar problem to you. Five hardships filed in the past year with another one on the table. I’ve thought about N90 but I want to end up in Atlanta but who knows when that would happen if I did go to N90. Where are you? If you don’t mind me asking

The problem with going SUP is if you cant release via NCEPT then getting a deviation for a sup bid is a very slim chance. As you still need the staffing to release a controller and "most" managers are on top of that process.

 

[Stinger]

The problem with going SUP is if you cant release via NCEPT then getting a deviation for a sup bid is a very slim chance.

More than half of all Supervisor deviation requests have been approved the last 2 years.

 

[MJ]

The problem with going SUP is if you cant release via NCEPT then getting a deviation for a sup bid is a very slim chance. As you still need the staffing to release a controller and "most" managers are on top of that process.

That’s not how deviations work. It’s relative staffing percentages of CPCs compared to FLMs.

 

[Dolan]

Also, if the deviation lists posted here are any indicator its a better than 50% chance of being approved, not slim.