TBD (Q1) 2021

vectorwagon

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Someone at my facility just got an email from National ncept people says:


In light of the ongoing COVID pandemic and the associated backlog of training, and the effect on facility staffing, the Parties at the national level have agreed to suspend the 4th quarter 2020 NCEPT panel.
In conjunction with this determination, the Agency will provide national level oversight into selections and deviations affecting the bargaining unit.
We will continue to work collaboratively to address the challenges presented by the pandemic and will keep you all apprised of future determinations affecting these important issues.


Wouldnt Q4 2020 have been July? Or do they use the calendar year?.. So waiting til January now apparently? Also heard rumors of some other national program backing up NCEPT So O’Hare could still rank some level 4 controller at the top of their list but this other group would come in and say no the person they ranked number 8 in the list is far more qualified so they are actually going to be the one to get selected. I don’t remember the name of it or what it’s called but I heard that that’s coming in the next year ... has anybody heard anything like that? And they would also be evaluating all of the other competitive bids to to try to eliminate some more of the politics and good old boys club allegedly.
 

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This message was just sent out from NATCA National:

“In light of the ongoing COVID pandemic and the associated backlog of training, and the effect on facility staffing, the Parties at the national level have agreed to suspend the 4th quarter 2020 NCEPT panel.

In conjunction with this determination, the Agency will provide national level oversight into selections and deviations affecting the bargaining unit.

We will continue to work collaboratively to address the challenges presented by the pandemic and will keep you all apprised of future determinations affecting these important issues.”
 

LEAD004

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This message was just sent out from NATCA National:

“In light of the ongoing COVID pandemic and the associated backlog of training, and the effect on facility staffing, the Parties at the national level have agreed to suspend the 4th quarter 2020 NCEPT panel.

In conjunction with this determination, the Agency will provide national level oversight into selections and deviations affecting the bargaining unit.

We will continue to work collaboratively to address the challenges presented by the pandemic and will keep you all apprised of future determinations affecting these important issues.”
Perhaps January for the next one? 🤔
 

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Not sure what they mean by Q4 since that should’ve been the panel in July 2020.
 

FightingIrish2012

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Q4 2020 is the end of the year, that goes by the calendar year not the fiscal year. As far as the ranking list thing that would be nice but it would just lead to connected people getting hooked up and others scamming in new ways leading to the same results.
 

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Q4 2020 is the end of the year, that goes by the calendar year not the fiscal year. As far as the ranking list thing that would be nice but it would just lead to connected people getting hooked up and others scamming in new ways leading to the same results.
Wasn’t that literally the problem with the level 4 remote pilot getting selected? She had connections and scammed her way from one of the slowest towers in the NAS to the busiest.
 

FightingIrish2012

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Wasn’t that literally the problem with the level 4 remote pilot getting selected? She had connections and scammed her way from one of the slowest towers in the NAS to the busiest.
Yes, but that don’t mean it will ever stop or that anyone is serious about trying to stop it despite what they say they are rolling out to address things like that.
 

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Yes, but that don’t mean it will ever stop or that anyone is serious about trying to stop it despite what they say they are rolling out to address things like that.

Now the nepotism will beyond the union. Now it'll be "Who do you know at the oversight committee."

It sounds like a good thing, but it'll just be the same old same old, with a significant decrease in transparency (if there was any before). Not to mention being another potential roadblock for those who honestly want to move.
 

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We will continue to work collaboratively to address the challenges presented by the pandemic and will keep you all apprised of future determinations affecting these important issues.”

Oh goody. More "dynamic decisions" are about to be made.
 

vectorwagon

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Oh goody. More "dynamic decisions" are about to be made.
Who files deviations - the receiving facility or the losing facility? And that’s just for supe jobs basically right? Do supe promotions take priority over other career progression moves from controllers? Like level 6 to level 10 for example
 

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I'm really enjoying how one of the purposes of ncept originally was to remove bias from individuals and the good ole boy system, only to apparently add it back in "when the numbers don't line up"

What a clusterfuck.
 

Mike Kilo

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I'm really enjoying how one of the purposes of ncept originally was to remove bias from individuals and the good ole boy system, only to apparently add it back in "when the numbers don't line up"

What a clusterfuck.
Did they ever come out and say it was to stop the bias? I feel like that is something we all just assumed lol. Or maybe Natca had our reps push that but didn’t publish it.
 

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Who files deviations - the receiving facility or the losing facility? And that’s just for supe jobs basically right? Do supe promotions take priority over other career progression moves from controllers? Like level 6 to level 10 for example
By priority do you mean release dates?
 

Mike Kilo

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Sup deviations absolutely take priority over controller movement. That is why a lot of people are bidding sup jobs. They cannot get out as controllers. A controller to controller job isn’t technically career progression even if you jump levels.
 

vectorwagon

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By priority do you mean release dates?
Well kind of.. like approving deviations if a facility technically can’t release or is a cat II... or like if someone was told by the receiving facility they’ll be selected as a supe but ncept keeps skipping panels. Or is this all too hypothetical? lol
 

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Well kind of.. like approving deviations if a facility technically can’t release or is a cat II... or like if someone was told by the receiving facility they’ll be selected as a supe but ncept keeps skipping panels. Or is this all too hypothetical? lol
NCEPT skipping panels will have zero affect on a Sup selection, probably even help. Now if you are a Cat II and two people are selected for transfers, the one that was selected “first” will get the release. The other will need a deviation, so in other words if a Sup is selected for the position first they get the release spot and the controller is hosed.
 

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Well kind of.. like approving deviations if a facility technically can’t release or is a cat II... or like if someone was told by the receiving facility they’ll be selected as a supe but ncept keeps skipping panels. Or is this all too hypothetical? lol

What MK said.

Also it doesn't matter what a facility is telling an individual until it passes through HR and they make the determination that a deviation is required. Typically though for releases it's first come, first serve.
 
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