The ‘hard’ Saturday night mid shift

[ATC-SKI-BOARD]

Why does the hard mid still exist? Does every other 24 hour government job (police, fire, hospitals, security, etc) also have to deal with this? They can figure out holiday pay when the day-in-lieu-of falls on the Saturday prior to a Monday holiday, but they cant have 10pm-12am carryover to the next pay period?

 

[Shikaka]

No clue, we work one every other week though.

 

[Mike Kilo]

Why is it that big a deal. You get two hours of pay for taking a nap at the end of what would be a normal mid shift. Plus Sunday pay at 25%. Get over it.

 

[Phillyman2633]

Why is it that big a deal. You get two hours of pay for taking a nap at the end of what would be a normal mid shift. Plus Sunday pay at 25%. Get over it.

Because at a real facility with scumbag FLMs you have to stay until 0730...

 

[Mike Kilo]

Because at a real facility with scumbag FLMs you have to stay until 0730...

Stay at work? Or stay on position? Because I’ll agree that would suck staying on position past 6.

 

[ATC-SKI-BOARD]

Why is it that big a deal. You get two hours of pay for taking a nap at the end of what would be a normal mid shift. Plus Sunday pay at 25%. Get over it.

We tried to negotiate 10-hr AWS lines which have to have a hard 9pm start time, but the hard mid also screws up Sunday night because they can’t come in until 10pm. And sups will make them come back for another rotation Sunday morning “because their shift is so late into the morning.” Also pushes back swing staffing from 2pm to 4pm, so that they can work up until midnight when the mid starts. Seems like it’s just been the status quo for so long that no one has tried to figure out why payroll can’t change it.

 

[Phillyman2633]

Stay at work? Or stay on position? Because I’ll agree that would suck staying on position past 6.

On position. Depends on who the FLM is on the morning shift, but it happens a decent amount from what I understand. I dont have the seniority to get the 12-8 mids so it doesnt matter to me lol.

 

[Mike Kilo]

A little different story having to stay on for sure. As well as trying to do 10 hour lines. You could earn credit and burn credit right? Would just lose the differentials for two hours.

 

[Shikaka]

Everyone says it isnt that bad until you get holdover on it.

 

[32andBelow]

Not every facility even does this. Ours doesn’t. Every mid is 10-6. Saturday night mids can’t flex.

 

[Cowboy]

Not every facility even does this. Ours doesn’t. Every mid is 10-6. Saturday night mids can’t flex.

How does that work?

 

[32andBelow]

How does that work?

It works because they can’t flex. So it’s exactly 2 hours on the last Saturday and exactly 6 hours on the first Sunday

 

[Cowboy]

It works because they can’t flex. So it’s exactly 2 hours on the last Saturday and exactly 6 hours on the first Sunday

I don't understand why we do the 12-8. What's the point of it?

 

[Mike Kilo]

I don't understand why we do the 12-8. What's the point of it?

If you don’t have the exact same people working the mid every week it won’t work. Then there is leave to factor in.

 

[Cowboy]

If you don’t have the exact same people working the mid every week it won’t work. Then there is leave to factor in.

We have the same people every week

 

[Mike Kilo]

We have the same people every week

They never take a week off? Or their last couple days off?

 

[Cowboy]

We take leave, but that doesn't seem like a reason to alternate between 10-6 and 12-8 every other week

 

[32andBelow]

If you don’t have the exact same people working the mid every week it won’t work. Then there is leave to factor in.

Idk it hasn’t been a problem for us. I don’t see how leave would be an issue since we burn it hourly.

 

[Shikaka]

We rotate the mids between 10 and 12, still get the excuse that it's a pay issue...

 

[32andBelow]

We rotate the mids between 10 and 12, still get the excuse that it's a pay issue...

Do they let you sign in on credit and burn it at the end?