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[DosEquis97]

There's a chart hanging around somewhere that has contracts and military equivalent to FAA level. I wonder if I can find it.

Edit: found it. Post in thread 'military experience vs FAA' military experience vs FAA

That isn’t too accurate. It lists the facility I was at as an 8 but I got several 9s on my list. There are a handful of military locations (Air Force) that you will receive 8-10s.

 

[ajmezz]

There's a chart hanging around somewhere that has contracts and military equivalent to FAA level. I wonder if I can find it.

Edit: found it. Post in thread 'military experience vs FAA' military experience vs FAA

That is from FY18, so very old at this point. Unless they have an updated one, I imagine much of that has changed, but in traditional FAA fashion, I'm sure HR still uses it. Its so bad that they have a navy heliport listed as equivalent to a level 9 tower. Everyone with half a brain knows how that would work out. Interesting document overall though.

 

[TushingPin]

That isn’t too accurate. It lists the facility I was at as an 8 but I got several 9s on my list. There are a handful of military locations (Air Force) that you will receive 8-10s.

It's old, but it still gives you the right thought process of how busy of a facility you were at (numbers wise) and what they equate it to on a FAA level. For example, 100k ops a year sits about a 8. That probably hasn't changed, but numbers obviously have.

 

[GulfCharlie]

That is from FY18, so very old at this point. Unless they have an updated one, I imagine much of that has changed, but in traditional FAA fashion, I'm sure HR still uses it. Its so bad that they have a navy heliport listed as equivalent to a level 9 tower. Everyone with half a brain knows how that would work out. Interesting document overall though.

Sorry boss, been looking for an updated one but you know...

 

[ajmezz]

Sorry boss, been looking for an updated one but you know...

We both know they probably still use that lol

 

[GulfCharlie]

We both know they probably still use that lol

Sadly yes... *massive sigh*

 

[PapaTango]

It realistically falls under the needs of the agency and simply just timing. Many moons ago my buddy and I had the exact same experience (single cto from the same tower). His list consisted of about 7 low level up/downs and when I eventually got a list, I had about 20 tower only. Also, don’t make the mistake of thinking the faa gives a single fuck about pattern work. If those 1k+ days mainly consist of touch&go’s, you’re wasting your energy being confused by their decision. They seem to care more about how many cto’s you have than the traffic behind them.

4 FCT CTO's. Highest I have is lvl7 this time

 

[elonmusk123]

Outside of 120 days and received a TOL. Currently at 200 days out from separating. Should I email HR rep or just let everything ride? Feeling I should just let it ride now. Thanks!

 

[MushyControl]

Outside of 120 days and received a TOL. Currently at 200 days out from separating. Should I email HR rep or just let everything ride? Feeling I should just let it ride now. Thanks!

All the information they needed should be on your statement of service, if you submitted one, but also on the forms you had to return when you accepted the TOL. There were the blocks of information you needed to fill in with your EAOS and terminal leave dates (if you have it in already). I would let it ride if you filled out the forms correctly.

 

[LikeLemon]

There's a chart hanging around somewhere that has contracts and military equivalent to FAA level. I wonder if I can find it.

Edit: found it. Post in thread 'military experience vs FAA' military experience vs FAA

Interesting. Says we are equivalent to a 7, but those numbers are off by about 25,000. We would be right at the edge of 7/8 with 2023 numbers and I was told I'm not qualified to train at anything above a level 7 per the placement "SME's". There's a good number of FCTs running genuine level 7 traffic and their employees could confidently train at 8s and 9s. Wild they're still limiting priors to the academy grad facilities with all the shortages in 8s and 9s.

 

[GulfCharlie]

Interesting. Says we are equivalent to a 7, but those numbers are off by about 25,000. We would be right at the edge of 7/8 with 2023 numbers and I was told I'm not qualified to train at anything above a level 7 per the placement "SME's". There's a good number of FCTs running genuine level 7 traffic and their employees could confidently train at 8s and 9s. Wild they're still limiting priors to the academy grad facilities with all the shortages in 8s and 9s.

It is a really old comparison.

 

[BDUB]

Don’t quit the FAA folks this is my laughable list…

I got bored this is according to airnav which I know isn’t the most accurate…I got offered maybe two facilities that do more operations than what I am currently doing lol.

FACILITY	OPS/DAY	FACILITY	OPS/DAY
ACK	165	FAI	312
AGC	160	FAT	253
AGS	102	GRB	98
ALB	147	GTF	95
ANC	230	HIO	695
BIL	273	HLN	130
BIS	84	HTS	30
BTV	308	JAN	134
CAE	165	JCF	???
CPR	103	LFT	117
CPS	269	LNK	205
CRW	132	MAF	156
DAY	108	MWH	212
DLH	168	PNE	229
DSM	211	PUB	537
ERI	67	PVD	181

 

[ajmezz]

I got bored this is according to airnav which I know isn’t the most accurate…I got offered maybe two facilities that do more operations than what I am currently doing lol.

FACILITY	OPS/DAY	FACILITY	OPS/DAY
ACK	165	FAI	312
AGC	160	FAT	253
AGS	102	GRB	98
ALB	147	GTF	95
ANC	230	HIO	695
BIL	273	HLN	130
BIS	84	HTS	30
BTV	308	JAN	134
CAE	165	JCF	???
CPR	103	LFT	117
CPS	269	LNK	205
CRW	132	MAF	156
DAY	108	MWH	212
DLH	168	PNE	229
DSM	211	PUB	537
ERI	67	PVD	181

Any up/down listed is obviously not accurate as airnav is simply average operations to that single airport. Doesn’t take into account radar traffic. Not even sure how they get their numbers tbh.

 

[BDUB]

Any up/down listed is obviously not accurate as airnav is simply average operations to that single airport. Doesn’t take into account radar traffic. Not even sure how they get their numbers tbh.

Actually a solid point I didn’t think about. I have a up down ticket but that didn’t cross my mind.

 

[ajmezz]

Actually a solid point I didn’t think about. I have a up down ticket but that didn’t cross my mind.

If you’re not familiar with it, google faa atads. It’s much more accurate and can see radar ops as well.

 

[elonmusk123]

All the information they needed should be on your statement of service, if you submitted one, but also on the forms you had to return when you accepted the TOL. There were the blocks of information you needed to fill in with your EAOS and terminal leave dates (if you have it in already). I would let it ride if you filled out the forms correctly.

Didn’t submit a statement of service, but did fill out the paperwork with the dates. So let it ride, thanks

 

[AB19]

If you’re not familiar with it, google faa atads. It’s much more accurate and can see radar ops as well.

Isnt countops what is the actual reported number?

 

[ajmezz]

Isnt countops what is the actual reported number?

Yeah, but I think you can only see that info from an FAA computer. ATADS is good (a month behind usually) reference to use if not at work or don't work for the FAA yet.

 

[AB19]

Yeah, but I think you can only see that info from an FAA computer. ATADS is good (a month behind usually) reference to use if not at work or don't work for the FAA yet.

Countops I have checked from home, it's like the third result or something whenever I Google it

 

[ajmezz]

Countops I have checked from home, it's like the third result or something whenever I Google it

Now that I'm looking into it, I think we're talking about the same thing. Thought maybe they were different, but never really paid that much attention when looking at them.