10k baby!

Will this show up on the LES or is management just gonna give you a huge cardboard check like a useless participation trophy?

Foppery&Whim said:

Will this show up on the LES or is management just gonna give you a huge cardboard check like a useless participation trophy?

You have to go to the White House

Gotta say, it's bullshit that those who took annual leave during the shutdown were penalized. If you want to punish people for banging in, whatever, but leave was scheduled a long ass time ago. I almost never take leave mid Sept-mid Nov, as I'm toward the top in seniority and take prime weeks and let the newer guys fight for the October and February scraps. But it's still bullshit.

RalphBeast said:

Gotta say, it's bullshit that those who took annual leave during the shutdown were penalized. If you want to punish people for banging in, whatever, but leave was scheduled a long ass time ago. I almost never take leave mid Sept-mid Nov, as I'm toward the top in seniority and take prime weeks and let the newer guys fight for the October and February scraps. But it's still bullshit.

Or... hear me out... don't violate our CBA and give a bonus based off of lawful leave usage.

Or you can say whatever like when the 4.9 FERS change happened. #fuckemgotmine

Punishing people for taking earned vacation is a fucked up attempt at manipulation to make everyone fall into line next time we dont get paid for two months. Punishing people for banging is worse because it encourages people to come in sick or otherwise unfit for duty. Wait until an airplane crashes - there will be a lot of broken families suing for hundreds of millions of dollars.

RalphBeast said:

Gotta say, it's bullshit that those who took annual leave during the shutdown were penalized. If you want to punish people for banging in, whatever, but leave was scheduled a long ass time ago. I almost never take leave mid Sept-mid Nov, as I'm toward the top in seniority and take prime weeks and let the newer guys fight for the October and February scraps. But it's still bullshit.

Why give any credence, even if only the slightest amount, to this divide-and-conquer strategy? Why rationalize & try to justify any of it even 0.0001%? You do not, in fact, have to give the devil his due. If a controller was sick & potentially contagious, he/she did the *RIGHT* thing by staying out of the workplace.

Somenewguy said:

Punishing people for taking earned vacation is a fucked up attempt at manipulation to make everyone fall into line next time we dont get paid for two months. Punishing people for banging is worse because it encourages people to come in sick or otherwise unfit for duty. Wait until an airplane crashes - there will be a lot of broken families suing for hundreds of millions of dollars.

They punished people for taking credit or holiday leave

DOD4Life said:

Why give any credence, even if only the slightest amount, to this divide-and-conquer strategy? Why rationalize & try to justify any of it even 0.0001%? You do not, in fact, have to give the devil his due. If a controller was sick & potentially contagious, he/she did the *RIGHT* thing by staying out of the workplace.

Homeboi I agree with you 100% percent. Punished for a legit banging is bs. But being punished for taking leave that was scheduled before any rumblings of a shutdown is incomprehensible.

And where the f*ck is Little Nicky on this one.

Phillytroll69 said:

Oh well minus my sarcasm then.
I believe this will be outside bonus structure and be an actual cash award. My highest was $50 for catching a bad read back (when they still did those) I do not think this will fall under a bonus.

I can't offer you real advice until I see the check amount.
10k cash award-set up for that 35% later.
10k bonus taxed at 22%- set up for the rest later.

$50 for catching a bad readback? I’d be a millionaire by now if they always did that.

!!!Fraud waste and abuse!!!
$$$$$$$$ 7,760,000
On the spot bonus for FAA employees for attendance, but when a controller saves the collision of aircraft potentially saving lives the response is we don’t have money for awards!!!

BTW yes the people who took no sick leave when free should be rewarded but not at the expense of portraying ALL other controllers as bad.

Would love to see how many of the ATC people receiving a bonus if it even happens, never talked to a single plane!!!

NATCA should put that info out for the tax payers to see.

Tax dollars spent on an image.
Higher ups out of touch with reality and how things work.

How many people who actually talked to planes which won’t get a bonus worked over 40 hours per week. Another great statistic NATCA should put out.

If this union was a union, were we all had the best interest of every union member. All that bonus money should be placed in a fund that is available for a unanimous action. Unanimous by members not the NATCA leadership! Showing the GOV/FAA leadership that make abrupt decisions that solidarity of the ATC system comes first before individual gain, that this system only works as a group and as a group we shall stand.

One can dream.

Bananas said:

!!!Fraud waste and abuse!!!
$$$$$$$$ 7,760,000
On the spot bonus for FAA employees for attendance, but when a controller saves the collision of aircraft potentially saving lives the response is we don’t have money for awards!!!

BTW yes the people who took no sick leave when free should be rewarded but not at the expense of portraying ALL other controllers as bad.

Would love to see how many of the ATC people receiving a bonus if it even happens, never talked to a single plane!!!

NATCA should put that info out for the tax payers to see.

Tax dollars spent on an image.
Higher ups out of touch with reality and how things work.

How many people who actually talked to planes which won’t get a bonus worked over 40 hours per week. Another great statistic NATCA should put out.

If this union was a union, were we all had the best interest of every union member. All that bonus money should be placed in a fund that is available for a unanimous action. Unanimous by members not the NATCA leadership! Showing the GOV/FAA leadership that make abrupt decisions that solidarity of the ATC system comes first before individual gain, that this system only works as a group and as a group we shall stand.

One can dream.

Union leadership is not going to highlight full-time union people getting a bonus.

KP-ATC said:

Union leadership is not going to highlight full-time union people getting a bonus.

Hence. NATCA should. Transparency would unionize the collective. Well maybe someone will try getting info via FOIA if possible.

32andBelow said:

They punished people for taking credit or holiday leave

We had a guy in my facility miss his shot at this for taking 4 hours of voter leave (local election)

Bananas said:

Hence. NATCA should. Transparency would unionize the collective. Well maybe someone will try getting info via FOIA if possible.

I'll submit a foia but you won't get anything.

I don't know how to phrase it to get results. You cant get names, you cant get leave usage specifics...just statistics, how would you cross reference anything?

Phillytroll69 said:

I'll submit a foia but you won't get anything.

I don't know how to phrase it to get results. You cant get names, you cant get leave usage specifics...just statistics, how would you cross reference anything?

I've done a FOIA request for award amounts before. Performance ratings are part of Exemption 6 and an unwarranted invasion of privacy, so those get withheld. However, in accordance with prior case law from another agency, award amounts are supposed to be released.

Except when I got my FOIA response, the HR response was that releasing the names would cause more harm to personal privacy and not give any more insight into the agency's functions.

So asking for a FOIA for the bonus recipients would go the same way and you won't receive it.

Here’s me strutting up to the white house to get that big checky check

Stinger said:

I've done a FOIA request for award amounts before. Performance ratings are part of Exemption 6 and an unwarranted invasion of privacy, so those get withheld. However, in accordance with prior case law from another agency, award amounts are supposed to be released.

Except when I got my FOIA response, the HR response was that releasing the names would cause more harm to personal privacy and not give any more insight into the agency's functions.

So asking for a FOIA for the bonus recipients would go the same way and you won't receive it.

Maybe just ask how many 2152s got the award and how many of those awarded 2152s were operationally current during the shutdown timeframe?

KP-ATC said:

Maybe just ask how many 2152s got the award and how many of those awarded 2152s were operationally current during the shutdown timeframe?

The tech ops criteria was posted and it appeared to be that had to be their form of current to get it

Circling back to the original post, is anyone being told NATCA is fighting the bonuses via contract? Heard some rumblings today in the facrep circle.

buffalochickenqueefadilla said:

Circling back to the original post, is anyone being told NATCA is fighting the bonuses via contract? Heard some rumblings today in the facrep circle.

NATCA is fighting for NDs position on a BNATCs contractor board and nothing else.