August 2025

Move78 said:

Buddy they’ve been trying to do that every day for the last 9 years

Thanks I’m well aware of that.

ZB32 said:

New timeline posted on NATCA site. Let me get this straight are they attempting to make it further more difficult to release now?

Once your facility is x% of the national average you can release.

Lots of transfers were going to do 80% staffed

Hmm still happening let's do 85%

Still a bit too many in my opinion what can we do now

So how does releases on the ncept work now? I see 3 months and no more than a year...

So there is no more 3 or up to 6 months employee discretion?

Phillytroll69 said:

Once your facility is x% of the national average you can release.

National average is not relevant

Phillytroll69 said:

Lots of transfers were going to do 80% staffed

Hmm still happening let's do 85%

Still a bit too many in my opinion what can we do now

jorgeluis161 said:

So how does releases on the ncept work now? I see 3 months and no more than a year...

So there is no more 3 or up to 6 months employee discretion?

I believe it's the earliest and you can still have some say BUT I don't know anyone who has been picked up personally

The National Release Policy document is available on NATCA and KSN

Move78 said:

The National Release Policy document is available on NATCA and KSN

Yeah I know but I'm not understanding it... Like I see the earliest is 3 months but no later than 12... I'm I reading that right?

jorgeluis161 said:

Yeah I know but I'm not understanding it... Like I see the earliest is 3 months but no later than 12... I'm I reading that right?

Not super well versed in it at the moment, but the way I understand it is the soonest you can be released is after 3 months and no longer than 12 months to release. Now if you look at the ETT tool that they published it shows you when your facility will be at or above 85% expected to target and that first month your facility hits that is when your release will be.

Look at the ETT tool, find your facility, then the first month your facility is in the green on it is when your release date is for this panel (as long as it's after 3 months from selection. And since your facility has to be 85% ETT within 12 months to even be eligible for release that means that the latest release date would be 12 months after selection. So between 3 months and 12 months from selection depending on your facility and the ETT tool used for the panel. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I see it.

Attached is the whole MOU if you haven't read it. Also attached the ETT tool

Gauff said:

Not super well versed in it at the moment, but the way I understand it is the soonest you can be released is after 3 months and no longer than 12 months to release. Now if you look at the ETT tool that they published it shows you when your facility will be at or above 85% expected to target and that first month your facility hits that is when your release will be.

Look at the ETT tool, find your facility, then the first month your facility is in the green on it is when your release date is for this panel (as long as it's after 3 months from selection. And since your facility has to be 85% ETT within 12 months to even be eligible for release that means that the latest release date would be 12 months after selection. So between 3 months and 12 months from selection depending on your facility and the ETT tool used for the panel. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I see it.

Attached is the whole MOU if you haven't read it. Also attached the ETT tool

The only thing you left out is your say. Most atm's will let you stay or go once selected.
Selected at 3 month mark but need 4 to sell a home etc, no problem.
Selected at 7 month mark but beg the atm, maybe you can go at 3 month

Phillytroll69 said:

The only thing you left out is your say. Most atm's will let you stay or go once selected.
Selected at 3 month mark but need 4 to sell a home etc, no problem.
Selected at 7 month mark but beg the atm, maybe you can go at 3 month

So like if I get selected and i can go at 3 months but want to stay for like 5-6 months to sell a home or wait for the kids to finish a semester or something like that... That's the part I'm confused about. Seems like it should be fine but before it was 3 months up to 6 months employee discretion. Don't see that anymore that's probably why I'm confused... Along with part B and C of the MOU that says the release date will be within the first of being at 85% and employee can request 2 pay periods of more time and anymore after that you gotta get a shit load of approvals from the higher ups

jorgeluis161 said:

So like if I get selected and i can go at 3 months but want to stay for like 5-6 months to sell a home or wait for the kids to finish a semester or something like that... That's the part I'm confused about. Seems like it should be fine but before it was 3 months up to 6 months employee discretion. Don't see that anymore that's probably why I'm confused... Along with part B and C of the MOU that says the release date will be within the first of being at 85% and employee can request 2 pay periods of more time and anymore after that you gotta get a shit load of approvals from the higher ups

Semi new rules. I assume it's like this (excluding well staffed facilities)

Minimum 3 month release.

On the ETT your facility is at 85% in 3 months.

New panel is Jan so im rounding to Feb 15
Feb 15 You get your tol after the panel for the date May 15..is the earliest.
With ZERO negotiation you can move 2 pay periods. (A month and change) Jun 15-30.

BUT usually once your staffing is that level it doesnt suddenly drop in subsequent months.

To rewrite 12B
The first month your facility hits 85% OR any subsequent month your projected to be at or above 85%

Phillytroll69 said:

Semi new rules. I assume it's like this (excluding well staffed facilities)

Minimum 3 month release.

On the ETT your facility is at 85% in 3 months.

New panel is Jan so im rounding to Feb 15
Feb 15 You get your tol after the panel for the date May 15..is the earliest.
With ZERO negotiation you can move 2 pay periods. (A month and change) Jun 15-30.

BUT usually once your staffing is that level it doesnt suddenly drop in subsequent months.

To rewrite 12B
The first month your facility hits 85% OR any subsequent month your projected to be at or above 85%

So with this example....

Let's say the facility is well staffed... Can I say hey I need to time to sell my house etc etc etc... Instead of May 15 can Sept 15? I would have to get approval from the higher ups for that? That's my only confusion with this new change.

Phillytroll69 said:

The only thing you left out is your say. Most atm's will let you stay or go once selected.
Selected at 3 month mark but need 4 to sell a home etc, no problem.
Selected at 7 month mark but beg the atm, maybe you can go at 3 month

This is untrue, ATMs have no say

jorgeluis161 said:

So with this example....

Let's say the facility is well staffed... Can I say hey I need to time to sell my house etc etc etc... Instead of May 15 can Sept 15? I would have to get approval from the higher ups for that? That's my only confusion with this new change.

As long as the facility is projected to he 85% staffed that long, yes. If it's not I'm sure you could ask the atm's or xo's for leniency

jorgeluis161 said:

So with this example....

Let's say the facility is well staffed... Can I say hey I need to time to sell my house etc etc etc... Instead of May 15 can Sept 15? I would have to get approval from the higher ups for that? That's my only confusion with this new change.

It’s in D E and F.
Release dates are specific and dictated at the panel not by the ATMs. The BUE can push it back up to 2 pay periods no questions asked. Extensions 2 pps but less than 3 months require deviation by AJT. More than 3 months required deviation by VPATS

Move78 said:

It’s in D E and F.
Release dates are specific and dictated at the panel not by the ATMs. The BUE can push it back up to 2 pay periods no questions asked. Extensions 2 pps but less than 3 months require deviation by AJT. More than 3 months required deviation by VPATS

Gotcha that is what I wanted to make sure.

Gauff said:

Not super well versed in it at the moment, but the way I understand it is the soonest you can be released is after 3 months and no longer than 12 months to release. Now if you look at the ETT tool that they published it shows you when your facility will be at or above 85% expected to target and that first month your facility hits that is when your release will be.

Look at the ETT tool, find your facility, then the first month your facility is in the green on it is when your release date is for this panel (as long as it's after 3 months from selection. And since your facility has to be 85% ETT within 12 months to even be eligible for release that means that the latest release date would be 12 months after selection. So between 3 months and 12 months from selection depending on your facility and the ETT tool used for the panel. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I see it.

Attached is the whole MOU if you haven't read it. Also attached the ETT tool

Only thing I'll add on to this in the ETT, the facility has to stay green in order to release. There aren't any instances now where it doesn't do this but it has happened before.

For example, the facility goes green (is able to release) for 6 months, goes back below numbers for 3 months, and then goes green again (so 10 months from the panel its green again) and then stays green for the last few months in the ETT. You wouldn't be released in that scenario until that 10th month once it goes green again.

Basically, it has to be green AND stay green to release.

bravounite33 said:

Only thing I'll add on to this in the ETT, the facility has to stay green in order to release. There aren't any instances now where it doesn't do this but it has happened before.

For example, the facility goes green (is able to release) for 6 months, goes back below numbers for 3 months, and then goes green again (so 10 months from the panel its green again) and then stays green for the last few months in the ETT. You wouldn't be released in that scenario until that 10th month once it goes green again.

Basically, it has to be green AND stay green to release.

I believe for the panel they only use the current ETT for that panel. Otherwise in theory your facility could drop below the 85% ETT and never be able to release.

The ETT shows what month for the next 12 is green and that would be the month you are releasable. I could be wrong but that's how I'm reading it because otherwise there is no way to guarantee a release within a year

Gauff said:

I believe for the panel they only use the current ETT for that panel. Otherwise in theory your facility could drop below the 85% ETT and never be able to release.

The ETT shows what month for the next 12 is green and that would be the month you are releasable. I could be wrong but that's how I'm reading it because otherwise there is no way to guarantee a release within a year

I believe it is done this way so they don't release 5 sups from one tower as soon as it hits 85%. Once you're locked in you're locked in. Which is a huge step in the right direction

Gauff said:

I believe for the panel they only use the current ETT for that panel. Otherwise in theory your facility could drop below the 85% ETT and never be able to release.

The ETT shows what month for the next 12 is green and that would be the month you are releasable. I could be wrong but that's how I'm reading it because otherwise there is no way to guarantee a release within a year

You’re mixing a couple different things into one. They’ll use the current ETT, whichever one it is (Nov 25 in this case). Just using that ETT, the first releasable month for any of the facilities will be whenever they are green and stay green throughout the rest of that 12 month period in the ETT.

ABI as an example, goes green May ‘26 and stays that way through the rest of the ETT so that’s the release date for them. But let’s say that for July and August ‘26 they weren’t green but went back green starting in September instead (this would happen for a projected loss dropping them down and then a trainee projected to check out to get them back green). In this case, the release date wouldn’t be May, which is green, but September instead since after going green in May it drops back down before going green again and staying that way the rest of the time.

That’s all I was saying. It’s 12b) in the MOU but that’s the situation that it’s talking about. It doesn’t happen often but it happened a few times when the ETTs first came out though and I remember plenty of people getting confused.