Ahung1 said:How do you know that only 500 people are getting the TOL? It hard to see that picture you posted. Was there a place you found that number?
They aren't. It's about 1,000 and you can view it on page 43 here: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/controller_staffing/media/2021-AFN_010-CWP2021.pdf
This number includes previous hires and I'm assuming another bid in 2022 so I doubt 1,000 people are receiving TOLs from this bid
a TOL does not mean a hire. Example: they can give 3000 TOLs. 300 don't even make it to the academy. 1700 don't pass. that's 1000 hires
Right, Factor in how many can’t get through the pre-employment process.
Toaster said:a TOL does not mean a hire. Example: they can give 3000 TOLs. 300 don't even make it to the academy. 1700 don't pass. that's 1000 hires
It’s highly selective. Where did you get those numbers? Or are they a hypothetical example?
Toaster said:a TOL does not mean a hire. Example: they can give 3000 TOLs. 300 don't even make it to the academy. 1700 don't pass. that's 1000
Ahung1 said:It’s highly selective. Where did you get those numbers? Or are they a hypothetical example?
I'm sure the FAA has a formula for predicting by using historical numbers of the percent of people with a TOL who can actually pass the medical and background requirements. If they only gave TOLs to the target number they want to hire, then their staffing will fall short because realistically, not everyone is going to be able to fulfill all the requirements; medical, security, psych if applicable, etc
Lol I'm fairly certain the FAA has fallen short of their hiring numbers, certainly their CPC numbers for a decade or two... hence the shortage of air traffic controllers and high overtime at so many facilities.
Statistically I would guess less than 10% of people do not pass the medical/background/drug test but that's just a guess. Many will be delayed, even substantially delayed for various things but the vast majority of people who get a TOL will get a firm offer for employment eventually.
Ahung1 said:I have already been referred so, I guess I applied to the correct pool. This whole process is a sham; all too confusing and frustrating!
How do you know that only 500 people are getting the TOL? It hard to see that picture you posted. Was there a place you found that number?
Each year the FAA come out with an updated ATC Workforce Plan and year 2021 was planned to only hire 500ish. Year 2022 probably about 1000.
Because this bud was aimed to hire more women in aviation and minorities do you think they will have a priority?
mj123 said:Because this bud was aimed to hire more women in aviation and minorities do you think they will have a priority?
maybe, i heard that too. Not sure how they'll go about it though. If anything, i would assume they exhaust all of BQ and give priority to those in WQ/Q, but who knows what their plan is
mj123 said:Because this bud was aimed to hire more women in aviation and minorities do you think they will have a priority?
Of course there is priority. Just like with the airlines, and basically any corporation
Egomortalis said:Friends from the Tower at my airport recommended I check out pointSixtyFive- so here so I am!
Tested the NOV 16th, was a referred “T” for a bit- just checked AVIATOR and I’m Qualified and Referred.
Pray with me now ???
Just a quick question- how much of the hiring process is based on your resume?
I graduated Summa Cum Laude, the literal top of my class, multiple honors and distinctions/leadership roles/service awards, aced all the reverent course work (of which I have literally hundreds of hours on my transcript), currently work Operations at an airport closely tied with the ATCT- I made it into the “Q” category.
So will someone who got straight D’s but payed the 80 bucks for ATCprep and got “BQ” be a more attractive candidate? I’ve already kissed it up to God, but Im curious ?
Egomortalis said:Just a quick question- how much of the hiring process is based on your resume?
I graduated Summa Cum Laude, the literal top of my class, multiple honors and distinctions/leadership roles/service awards, aced all the reverent course work (of which I have literally hundreds of hours on my transcript), currently work Operations at an airport closely tied with the ATCT- I made it into the “Q” category.So will someone who got straight D’s but payed the 80 bucks for ATCprep and got “BQ” be a more attractive candidate? I’ve already kissed it up to God, but Im curious ?
Absolutely none
Egomortalis said:Just a quick question- how much of the hiring process is based on your resume?
I graduated Summa Cum Laude, the literal top of my class, multiple honors and distinctions/leadership roles/service awards, aced all the reverent course work (of which I have literally hundreds of hours on my transcript), currently work Operations at an airport closely tied with the ATCT- I made it into the “Q” category.So will someone who got straight D’s but payed the 80 bucks for ATCprep and got “BQ” be a more attractive candidate? I’ve already kissed it up to God, but Im curious ?
Those credentials might make you look attractive in the private sector but for ATC off the street bids, you're as equal as the person who got in with a 2.0 GPA working at McDonald's. The ATSA is essentially your make or break moment
stonemalone99 said:Those credentials might make you look attractive in the private sector but for ATC off the street bids, you're as equal as the person who got in with a 2.0 GPA working at McDonald's. The ATSA is essentially your make or break moment
Gotta say I kinda admire it for that. I have had no family backing my adult life so I had to drop out of college because of the costs. Getting a degree isn't easy but it sure is a lot easier if you have a nice financial safety net backing you up. Doesn't mean I'm any less intelligent or less motivated than someone with a random degree.
Egomortalis said:Just a quick question- how much of the hiring process is based on your resume?
I graduated Summa Cum Laude, the literal top of my class, multiple honors and distinctions/leadership roles/service awards, aced all the reverent course work (of which I have literally hundreds of hours on my transcript), currently work Operations at an airport closely tied with the ATCT- I made it into the “Q” category.So will someone who got straight D’s but payed the 80 bucks for ATCprep and got “BQ” be a more attractive candidate? I’ve already kissed it up to God, but Im curious ?
Lol
Egomortalis said:Just a quick question- how much of the hiring process is based on your resume?
I graduated Summa Cum Laude, the literal top of my class, multiple honors and distinctions/leadership roles/service awards, aced all the reverent course work (of which I have literally hundreds of hours on my transcript), currently work Operations at an airport closely tied with the ATCT- I made it into the “Q” category.So will someone who got straight D’s but payed the 80 bucks for ATCprep and got “BQ” be a more attractive candidate? I’ve already kissed it up to God, but Im curious ?
Yes they’ll be more attractive. The FAA doesn’t give two shits about scholastic accolades.
Egomortalis said:Just a quick question- how much of the hiring process is based on your resume?
I graduated Summa Cum Laude, the literal top of my class, multiple honors and distinctions/leadership roles/service awards, aced all the reverent course work (of which I have literally hundreds of hours on my transcript), currently work Operations at an airport closely tied with the ATCT- I made it into the “Q” category.So will someone who got straight D’s but payed the 80 bucks for ATCprep and got “BQ” be a more attractive candidate? I’ve already kissed it up to God, but Im curious ?
Your credentials going into the bid mean as much as me playing Madden and becoming an NFL head coach
Egomortalis said:Just a quick question- how much of the hiring process is based on your resume?
I graduated Summa Cum Laude, the literal top of my class, multiple honors and distinctions/leadership roles/service awards, aced all the reverent course work (of which I have literally hundreds of hours on my transcript), currently work Operations at an airport closely tied with the ATCT- I made it into the “Q” category.So will someone who got straight D’s but payed the 80 bucks for ATCprep and got “BQ” be a more attractive candidate? I’ve already kissed it up to God, but Im curious ?
The only thing the FAA cares about with school is if you graduated from a CTI school/program. That will allow you to be in pool 1 instead of 2.
It is very unlikely to get in as a Q. I would practice with jobtestprep for your next bid. I got Q my first time but got BQ this time.
Egomortalis said:Just a quick question- how much of the hiring process is based on your resume?
I graduated Summa Cum Laude, the literal top of my class, multiple honors and distinctions/leadership roles/service awards, aced all the reverent course work (of which I have literally hundreds of hours on my transcript), currently work Operations at an airport closely tied with the ATCT- I made it into the “Q” category.So will someone who got straight D’s but payed the 80 bucks for ATCprep and got “BQ” be a more attractive candidate? I’ve already kissed it up to God, but Im curious ?
To the FAA it only really matters if you graduated from a CTI program, this helps you with the pool you are placed in. If you didn’t put it as part of the application from the start, you can’t add it in now, as far as I know.
With that being said, are you reaching the age limit? Don’t be discouraged if this is your first time taking the test. This was my 3rd time. First 2 times I got a Q; studied my ass off and was very disappointed. Recommend you continue with your plan B and keep at it, if you get a TOL, then great, if not, you'll know you can rest. I continued on with my plan B, I been making 6 figures since I been waiting. The government will not be your savior; you’ll die waiting for the government trying to save you if you depend on them. At this point, you can pat yourself on the back knowing you achieved your goal.
The_real_rico_suave508 said:
Only 500 of us will get a TOL I’m sweating ?
Nice blurry image lol
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