Facility Downgrades / Upgrades

Simply adding airspace and flights doesn't mean you'll stay or increase your facility level. It is all about the CI number and adding slow airspace and a lot of it can actually cause your CI to go down significantly.

Robertb said:

Simply adding airspace and flights doesn't mean you'll stay or increase your facility level. It is all about the CI number and adding slow airspace and a lot of it can actually cause your CI to go down significantly.

Putting it that way it makes sense.

I, for one, am happy with these downgrades. The FAA is finally following federal policy that has been around since the early 90s. Ill stay optimistic and hope their staffing numbers have now gone down so people can now get out and move up...so I can see what a two day weekend is!

atct said:

I, for one, am happy with these downgrades. The FAA is finally following federal policy that has been around since the early 90s. Ill stay optimistic and hope their staffing numbers have now gone down so people can now get out and move up...so I can see what a two day weekend is!

We went from a 7 to a 6 and our staffing number didn't change

Was looking at a recent list of facilities offered to a new hire. The list showed BHM as an ATC-7, meaning it was recently downgraded. Anyone have a current list of either recent changes to ATC levels (up and/or down) or all facility levels?

Thanks!

echster said:

Was looking at a recent list of facilities offered to a new hire. The list showed BHM as an ATC-7, meaning it was recently downgraded. Anyone have a current list of either recent changes to ATC levels (up and/or down) or all facility levels?

Thanks!

Could simply be an error. NCEPT still shows it as an 8. The last facility upgrade/downgrade list I could find was posted on 9/22/16 which MJ shared.

BHM is now a level 7 as of February 5.

Caldwell said:

BHM is now a level 7 as of February 5.

lol welp there you go. You know someone there or have a better place to look? I searched and searched that KSN site, couldn't find anything the other night.

I haven't seen changes advertised anywhere. It just shows up in documents subsequent to the change in grade.

HTTP://terminalapps.faa.gov
Click on the bottom right link (terminal CI or something like that)
Go to TCIP website and you can see where facilities are currently, those upgraded, downgraded, etc

Caldwell said:

BHM is now a level 7 as of February 5.

People there told me.

Feb 2017
Upgrades
ACT 5 > 6
SCK 4 > 5

Downgrade
ILG 5 > 4
FWA 6 > 5
CVG 9 > 8
BHM 8 > 7

Pretty soon every facility will be a 5 lol.

echster said:

Was looking at a recent list of facilities offered to a new hire. The list showed BHM as an ATC-7, meaning it was recently downgraded. Anyone have a current list of either recent changes to ATC levels (up and/or down) or all facility levels?

Thanks!

Was this an academy grad new-hire or a experienced hire?

atct said:

I, for one, am happy with these downgrades. The FAA is finally following federal policy that has been around since the early 90s. Ill stay optimistic and hope their staffing numbers have now gone down so people can now get out and move up...so I can see what a two day weekend is!

also went from 7 to 6 with no staffing number change

Omegahare said:

also went from 7 to 6 with no staffing number change

I don't think most downgrades include a staffing number change. They still have the same number of positions that need staffed in most cases.

When was the last time there was a Center upgrade or downgrade?

Zab a few years back. Zhu has been in litigation for years to get upgraded.

Heard they are revisitng the traffic complexity formula to address the mass downgrades. Apparently, with airline consolidation, traffic ops are down but passenger count is up. Truth?

ATC_av8er said:

Heard they are revisitng the traffic complexity formula to address the mass downgrades. Apparently, with airline consolidation, traffic ops are down but passenger count is up. Truth?

No idea, but the Count Index already decreased a few years ago. So if the CI used to be from 230-315 for a level 9, it's now 210-295. (made up numbers)