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It was illegal for Rosenbaum to be around minors
It was illegal for them to be rioting/burning things
It was illegal for Gaige to carry a concealed gun (with an expired concealed license which he admitted to in court)
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Again, so the laws only apply to the people you don't agree with? I mean shoe on the other foot, literally with bicep man and you have a problem with bus illegal firearm possession but not Rittenhouse?

Find me anywhere in this thread where I'm defending any of those dudes actions.
 
It’s possible that both parties are bad people you don’t get to just kill people cus you deem them rioters
Nobody was killing people because they were rioting. People were killed when attempting to murder someone. Anybody would protect their own life rather than get killed one way or another

Again, so the laws only apply to the people you don't agree with? I mean shoe on the other foot, literally with bicep man and you have a problem with bus illegal firearm possession but not Rittenhouse?

Find me anywhere in this thread where I'm defending any of those dudes actions.
Totally agree, he did violate that Winsconsin law, you are correct. Those are probably the only charges that will stick
 
You fail to understand. He tried to get away from pedo, then pedo told him “if I see you alone I will kill you” then pedo chased him and tried to grab his rifle and pedo got shot.

You fail to understand it wasn’t until his life was directly (deadly) threatened (skateboard to the head + glock pointed at him) that he used deadly force and shot them. Kyle did this to protect his own life.
And wouldn't you know it later on there he was alone with a gun.... funny how that works out. Almost like....maybe he was looking for trouble?

huh it's almost like in the meantime if he was feeling threatened by the large angry mob he traveled 30 minutes out of his way to confront maybe he should have taken his young ass home if he knew he was in over his head.

You fail to understand or at least acknowledge he put himself in the situation that necessitated all that willingly, of his own fruition, and against a couple of laws himself in doing so.
 
And wouldn't you know it later on there he was alone with a gun.... funny how that works out. Almost like....maybe he was looking for trouble?

huh it's almost like in the meantime if he was feeling threatened by the large angry mob he traveled 30 minutes out of his way to confront maybe he should have taken his young ass home if he knew he was in over his head.

You fail to understand or at least acknowledge he put himself in the situation that necessitated all that willingly, of his own fruition, and against a couple of laws himself in doing so.
“Almost like… maybe he was looking for trouble?” Hasn’t worked out too well for the prosecution - it made them looks like absolute fools.

This argument really sounds like “well she dressed slutty so she was looking to get raped so she deserved that”
 
Totally agree, he did violate that Winsconsin law, you are correct. Those are probably the only charges that will stick
Okay, progress.... so it's okay for him to break the law to go play popo do a bad job at it and people end up dead, but property crime is unconscionable to you? Why? Because you disagree with the reason for property crime and you share some points of view with a 17 year old kid with shitty decisions making skills?

Can you see where this doesn't jibe?
 
“Almost like… maybe he was looking for trouble?” Hasn’t worked out too well for the prosecution - it made them looks like absolute fools.

This argument really sounds like “well she dressed slutty so she was looking to get raped so she deserved that”
Why are you defending him. Why do you care about him. Lmao
 
“Almost like… maybe he was looking for trouble?” Hasn’t worked out too well for the prosecution - it made them looks like absolute fools.

This argument really sounds like “well she dressed slutty so she was looking to get raped so she deserved that”
It's made them look like absolute fools because they are shooting for big time murder 1 charges when in my totally ignorant legal opinion they should probably have gone for murder 2 or manslaughter. Be a lot easier for them to prove.

Edit-and yes he was totally out there expressing himself. That ar15 was just a fashion piece.
 
These people defend a guy that goes out shooting but then roast a little girl that is worried about climate change. They are certifiably insane
 
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You don't need facts or an informed opinion when your worldview relies on feefees and your made up shower thought fights.

You sure that’s conservatism, or liberalism? “January 6 was an attempted coup,” “It’s not gain of function research if it doesn’t follow the definition I choose to define it as,” “Rittenhouse crossed state lines illegally with a firearm,” etc. Speaking of…


You got a source on that cutting edge legal opinion aside from zero hedge? Because I took literally 3 seconds to google the referenced law Wisconsin 29.304 and it's narrowly and specifically talking about minors using firearms for sporting purposes, and similar laws exist in almost, if not every state in the US.

Last I checked those antifa hunting tag decals you buy for your truck at the gun show aren't real my dude, unless you are saying his intent was to go blast some molotov cocktail bottles as target practice, I think your news source there needs to do a little more legwork.

Literally every other article I've seen on this, and and testimony provided in court says it was purchased for him, by his friend, because he wasn't legally old enough to purchase it himself (that's what we call a straw purchase, and it's a federal crime, and his friend is being charged with a crime for that as well). So yes, carrying and possessing an illegally purchased firearm is in and and of itself also a crime, add in he was a minor, and throw a little spiciness on there with the ya know.... vigilante justice and tell me again how he's a shining example for law and order America.


This is a good editorial from the other day that explains the ambiguity of that charge, and how it’s likely to not stick. Before you whine about the Fox News source, the local Milwaukee newspaper talks about it too, just not as in depth.

Rittenhouse is an idiot that shouldn’t have been there, but that doesn’t invalidate a clear self defense case. It didn’t with Zimmerman a few years earlier, either. The first guy charged him, he fled, and only shot when the guy lunged at him. The second guy was swinging a skateboard at him, a blunt weapon just as deadly a weapon as a baseball bat, and the FBI tracks blunt weapon murders on a yearly basis. The third guy literally pointed a gun at him, and I shouldn’t need to explain that further.

It boggled my mind that people think someone loses their rights just because they got themselves in a situation by a legally dubious decision. Did Floyd lose his rights because he had fentanyl in his system? Did Castile deserve to get shot because he had weed in his system? Did Breonna Taylor deserve to die because she was living with a boyfriend who she knew broke the law? I could go on and on. Rights are rights, and they exist unless the situation they entered where the rights come into question is only entered by a blatant violation of a law, not “gee he shouldn’t have been there.”

Your takes on gun related issues have been pretty horrible as of late, my man. First saying that buying someone a 10/22 is no different than training them to kill, and now this. You’re beyond fudd territory.
 
Your takes on gun related issues have been pretty horrible as of late, my man. First saying that buying someone a 10/22 is no different than training them to kill, and now this. You’re beyond fudd territory.
I'm gonna ignore the rest because I've covered my position on that ad nauseum today, and that thing from however long ago that was is a big time mischaracterization of what I was saying and I'm not in the mood to relitigate it.

The one thing I will say is Zimmerman should have gone to jail too, for exactly the same reason, but Florida is gonna do Florida things I guess.

Aside from that, gun culture can be toxic as fuck with the alpha male sheepdog bullshit that gets perpetuated and there's way too many dudes out there who think going out and buying an AR and some multicam makes them an operator, and thats the same group of dudes who fetishize this shit and think it's A okay to go out and do dumb shit with thier guns, particularly when the typical gun owner side of the equation has "news" outlets screaming on about how we are one step away from Cambodia if a moderate Neolib gets elected to office, and conservative politicians saying wild ass shit about the other side.

If you think none of that played a factor in a 17 year old suburban kid thinking it was a good idea or in anyway morally okay to go out of his way to put himself in a situation that could very likely (and did) end in an armed confrontation and a good portion of people thinking he was totally in the right in doing so you are blind.

If that makes me a fudd I guess I'll take my 1911 and my double barrel biden special and go home.
 
so what happens if someone feels threatened for their life at a maga or proud boys rally? We just letting people blast away and say well they thought they were in danger so. It’s like the dude in Texas who killed someone robbing his neighbor, dude should have been thrown in jail for murder, and so should have Zimmerman
 
so what happens if someone feels threatened for their life at a maga or proud boys rally? We just letting people blast away and say well they thought they were in danger so. It’s like the dude in Texas who killed someone robbing his neighbor, dude should have been thrown in jail for murder, and so should have Zimmerman
I mean if I run up on ya with a skateboard trying to bash your head in or point a gun at you then yes? If I stand there with a rifle doing nothing then no? Confusing I know.

Kyle was dumb. Shouldn’t have been there. If he was breaking the law by carrying the gun charge him for it (looks like the wording of the law is in his favor though). If his buddy bought it for him as a straw purchase then hell yea throw the book at him. If he bought it for himself and let Kyle use it then it’s not a straw purchase unless handing a gun to someone there requires a transfer of ownership?

Again the same point you have about people being law and order bros but ignoring the law here is the exact same as the other side ignoring the multiple cities burning, CHAZ and all that criminal activity while focusing only on the law breaker that doesn’t conform to those views.

By your logic it is okay for a dude in a trump shirt to be assaulted at the riots because he should have known better than to go and wear it. No right to self defense.

And hell yea you need to get into NFA Peter. Once you shoot suppressed you won’t want to go back. Plus I love my tacti-cool SBR and I’m a boss at clearing my house though I don’t have any multicam… And wasn’t Cheney the shotgun specialist?
 
I'm gonna ignore the rest because I've covered my position on that ad nauseum today, and that thing from however long ago that was is a big time mischaracterization of what I was saying and I'm not in the mood to relitigate it.

The one thing I will say is Zimmerman should have gone to jail too, for exactly the same reason, but Florida is gonna do Florida things I guess.

Aside from that, gun culture can be toxic as fuck with the alpha male sheepdog bullshit that gets perpetuated and there's way too many dudes out there who think going out and buying an AR and some multicam makes them an operator, and thats the same group of dudes who fetishize this shit and think it's A okay to go out and do dumb shit with thier guns, particularly when the typical gun owner side of the equation has "news" outlets screaming on about how we are one step away from Cambodia if a moderate Neolib gets elected to office, and conservative politicians saying wild ass shit about the other side.

If you think none of that played a factor in a 17 year old suburban kid thinking it was a good idea or in anyway morally okay to go out of his way to put himself in a situation that could very likely (and did) end in an armed confrontation and a good portion of people thinking he was totally in the right in doing so you are blind.

If that makes me a fudd I guess I'll take my 1911 and my double barrel biden special and go home.
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I'm gonna ignore the rest because I've covered my position on that ad nauseum today

Funny how you ignore the only post posting two sources refuting the argument you’ve tirelessly repeated over the course of many posts. It’s like poetry.

, and that thing from however long ago that was is a big time mischaracterization of what I was saying and I'm not in the mood to relitigate it.

It’s not. This was your exact quote, which was such a silly opinion that I didn’t even bother to reply to it:

Yep sure is, and it's great for that, but outside of competion I'd venture to say the overwhelming majority of that is cheap practice or teaching fundamentals for...... practical application. Yes plinking with a 22 is fun. No denying that. Doesn't change the express purpose of a firearm, in general though.

You literally think giving someone a .22lr firearm, made in a caliber that produces very little kinetic energy, is teaching them killing fundamentals.

The one thing I will say is Zimmerman should have gone to jail too, for exactly the same reason, but Florida is gonna do Florida things I guess.

Of course you do. What about the other examples of people I listed who did made legally questionable decisions that lead to their deaths? I’m sure they’re different, and they totally didn’t deserve what happened to them, because reasons. You should be on the NCEPT board with that kind of dynamic mindset.

Aside from that, gun culture can be toxic as fuck with the alpha male sheepdog bullshit that gets perpetuated and there's way too many dudes out there who think going out and buying an AR and some multicam makes them an operator, and thats the same group of dudes who fetishize this shit and think it's A okay to go out and do dumb shit with thier guns, particularly when the typical gun owner side of the equation has "news" outlets screaming on about how we are one step away from Cambodia if a moderate Neolib gets elected to office, and conservative politicians saying wild ass shit about the other side.

The problem is you not being able to divorce what came before the situation from the situation itself. That’s not how the law works, and it’s so tiresome reading about people who think it does work like that.

If you think none of that played a factor in a 17 year old suburban kid thinking it was a good idea or in anyway morally okay to go out of his way to put himself in a situation that could very likely (and did) end in an armed confrontation and a good portion of people thinking he was totally in the right in doing so you are blind.

Did I not say that he shouldn’t have been in that situation? I guess you “ignored” my post, so it makes sense that you didn’t see I said that.
If that makes me a fudd I guess I'll take my 1911 and my double barrel biden special and go home.

Thinking that the use of a .22lr firearm at a range to shoot holes in paper is training for murder is absolutely a fudd thing to think, as well as thinking that someone loses the right to self defense if they make a decision to enter an avoidable situation.
 
And hell yea you need to get into NFA Peter. Once you shoot suppressed you won’t want to go back. Plus I love my tacti-cool SBR and I’m a boss at clearing my house though I don’t have any multicam… And wasn’t Cheney the shotgun specialist?
Ya the 12.5in "pistol" becoming a rifle is first on the list, just haven't gotten around to doing the paperwork yet. Suppressor is happening at some point probably in the next year, looking into 30 cal options that'll work on my deer rifle as well.
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What that I don't need some device to make me feel like a man? Mmmkay, do the micropeen pills come in strawberry flavor?
Funny how you ignore the only post posting two sources refuting the argument you’ve tirelessly repeated over the course of many posts. It’s like poetry.
Not ignoring, I read it, I've already made my position clear, and not responding. There is a difference.
It’s not. This was your exact quote, which was such a silly opinion that I didn’t even bother to reply to it:
It's not at all.
You literally think giving someone a .22lr firearm, made in a caliber that produces very little kinetic energy, is teaching them killing fundamentals.
Again, no, not the point I was making, which was throwing lead at high speed from a firearm was made a thing for a reason and it wasn't punching paper, as much as yes, that is an enjoyable activity.
The problem is you not being able to divorce what came before the situation from the situation itself. That’s not how the law works, and it’s so tiresome reading about people who think it does work like that.


In fact thats exactly how it works in many situations in many places, reference every bar fight where someone ends up in jail on manslaughter charges, or a great many shootings, stabbings etc. State of mind and extenuating circumstances absolutely come to play in many court cases. I'm no lawyer, neither are you, but it doesn't take much looking into current events to see that.

Thinking that the use of a .22lr firearm at a range to shoot holes in paper is training for murder is absolutely a fudd thing to think, as well as thinking that someone loses the right to self defense if they make a decision to enter an avoidable situation.
Last I checked the definition of a "fudd" was an typically older, right wing, nra sticker having dude who thinks all guns should be wood and steel and only used for hunting and target shooting, is for assault weapons bans, and thinks anything designed last 1955 is utter trash.

Last I checked I'm none of those things besides nearing the older category a little more everyday lmao, though yes I enjoy the fuck out of some old fashioned wood and steel hunting implements and think old stuff is fun and cool too.

But cool you wanna label me with some made up meme culture gun term.....sure I guess knock yourself out?
 
Wait do people here think Zimmerman actually should have gotten away with it?, what kind of ass backwards thinking is that. I guess the racist pigs that killed Ahmaud Arbery should get off too since someone scary was JOGGING through the neighborhood
 
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