Shoot The Breeze 3.0

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CF said:
You guys just wanna send a bunch of drawings of dicks?
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Why only drawings?

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novelist1985 said:
Wait, I thought the majority were the pro-Trump conspiracy peddlers who think everything that happens in the world revolves around Donnie-boy. Remember, Biden stole the election, Trump had it in the bag. Even Commiefornia voted for him. I seen it on the Facebook.
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The silent majority
 
novelist1985 said:
Wait, I thought the majority were the pro-Trump conspiracy peddlers who think everything that happens in the world revolves around Donnie-boy. Remember, Biden stole the election, Trump had it in the bag. Even Commiefornia voted for him. I seen it on the Facebook.
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Also this quote being used by a conservative is a joke because Twain was very progressive on most things for his time and this quote usually is used as an example of once you achieve you’re goal and people agree with you that’s the time to move on and work for more change.
 
Anyone see that video of the dad in Lubbock get killed for trying to get his kid from his ex wife? Or were people saying it was self defense since he grabbed for the gun after the guy shot
 
AB19 said:
Anyone see that video of the dad in Lubbock get killed for trying to get his kid from his ex wife? Or were people saying it was self defense since he grabbed for the gun after the guy shot
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Yeah that’s just a fucked up situation. How hard would it be to just go inside and shut the door. Call the cops. If he breaks in then shoot. The whole outside like bulls “standing ground” then throws the guy, guy says fuck it pop pop. Idk I wasn’t there. All we have is video. Not me in his shoes. Seems just sad, someone lost their husband/father that day.
 
AB19 said:
Anyone see that video of the dad in Lubbock get killed for trying to get his kid from his ex wife? Or were people saying it was self defense since he grabbed for the gun after the guy shot
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Looked like the shooter got grabbed by the shoulders and kind of “man handled” into a 180 that way. The guy didn’t need to shoot at all. But the woman seemed like she instigated the situation knowing both the men’s tempers
 
Spaceforce said:
Yeah that’s just a fucked up situation. How hard would it be to just go inside and shut the door. Call the cops. If he breaks in then shoot. The whole outside like bulls “standing ground” then throws the guy, guy says fuck it pop pop. Idk I wasn’t there. All we have is video. Not me in his shoes. Seems just sad, someone lost their husband/father that day.
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Ya that's a go inside call the cops situation in my book, but judging by that video.....I can absolutely see why it went the way it did. Is sad for those poor kids for sure, and just goes to show pulling a gun will almost never deescalate a situation.


Seems like he was just upset unless I missed something he wasn't making any threats or anything (as far as what the video shows, who knows maybe there's a bad history there) that's a tough one to judge, but I will say dude appears to have some god awful shitty trigger discipline ADing into the porch and then some bad awareness firing back towards the house I'm guessing the children were in.

This dude is definitely stupid for going and getting a gun and escalating, but knowing just a bit about Texas, and seeing the video I don't think it's criminally stupid by any stretch.

Uglytaco said:
Looked like the shooter got grabbed by the shoulders and kind of “man handled” into a 180 that way. The guy didn’t need to shoot at all. But the woman seemed like she instigated the situation knowing both the men’s tempers
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What about the dudes wife in the truck? Husband bleeding out on the porch and she's too busy calling the boyfriend an asshole to render aid, or "oh shit ya lemme go ahead and call 911" there at the end..... west Texas trash gonna do west Texas trashy things I guess.
 
Peter Gibbons said:
What about the dudes wife in the truck? Husband bleeding out on the porch and she's too busy calling the boyfriend an asshole to render aid, or "oh shit ya lemme go ahead and call 911" there at the end..... west Texas trash gonna do west Texas trashy things I guess.
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We would never do that kind of thing here two hours south. Idk me and my friend were arguing whether self defense can be applied here in this situation. He was saying since it’s his property and the guy reached for it he could, I argued the guy shot at his feet first so of course the guy tried to grab it and was allowed to be there for his kid
 
AB19 said:
We would never do that kind of thing here two hours south. Idk me and my friend were arguing whether self defense can be applied here in this situation. He was saying since it’s his property and the guy reached for it he could, I argued the guy shot at his feet first so of course the guy tried to grab it and was allowed to be there for his kid
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I’d suggest you check this guy out. He was right about Rittenhouse’s trial as everything developed, he’s very open minded, but also knows his stuff

Peter Gibbons said:
What about the dudes wife in the truck? Husband bleeding out on the porch and she's too busy calling the boyfriend an asshole to render aid, or "oh shit ya lemme go ahead and call 911" there at the end..... west Texas trash gonna do west Texas trashy things I guess.
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define you agree with the trashy part. This case wasn’t a justified shooting in my opinion.

But hey, famous French actor and race baiter Jussie Smollet is going to court (after 3 years) for his race hoax.

 
AB19 said:
We would never do that kind of thing here two hours south. Idk me and my friend were arguing whether self defense can be applied here in this situation. He was saying since it’s his property and the guy reached for it he could, I argued the guy shot at his feet first so of course the guy tried to grab it and was allowed to be there for his kid
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You'd have a hard time convincing me the shot at the dudes feet wasn't a negligent discharge.

From my understanding of Texas laws on your property is in your property....thats not my personal limit for making it okay, but then again neither is showing up to play militia and that's a winner 18 hours drive to the north so.... whatever.

from the 30 second clip i saw (which edited the few seconds of the actual shots) he was reaching for it, they got in a scuffle he pushed him away and raised the rifle. I'd consider a scuffle over a gun deadly force territory.

Combine all that with the stats on domestic incidents that lead to assaults and murders etc.....gonna have a hard time convincing me this was stupid and criminal as opposed to stupid and justified.

So on his property or place of residence, a threat (yes, once the gun was introduced, which was needless and dumb), a scuffle over the gun, in a domestic situation. Needless and stupid and petty, sure. Criminal though? I dunno.

That said, my knowledge of this incident is a 30 second video clip and thats my gut fee fee reaction, which is basically worthless with that little info.
 
Uglytaco said:
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I’d suggest you check this guy out. He was right about Rittenhouse’s trial as everything developed, he’s very open minded, but also knows his stuff
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This 100%. It was a bad shoot, your property may be your castle in Texas, but you still have to justify feeling threatened and can’t instigate the shooting. The dude got into a verbal argument before going back inside to get his gun, then came back out to argue more. To have that freedom to escalate the situation is antithetical to self defense. The video angle changes right as he shoots and doesn’t show the victim, but it almost looked like he shot the guy in the back, which is a big no no for self defense shooting. When the shooter got away from the guy, he should have aimed at him, said “get off my property,” and if he charged the shooter, shot him then, in the front of his body, like Rittenhouse did. Like the picture says, the guy wasn’t an imminent deadly force threat when he was shot, therefore it’s not a clean shoot.


Sec. 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:
(1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and
(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.
(b) The actor's belief under Subsection (a)(2) that the deadly force was immediately necessary as described by that subdivision is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:
(1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the deadly force was used:
(A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;
(B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor's habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; or
(C) was committing or attempting to commit an offense described by Subsection (a)(2)(B);
(2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and
(3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used.
(c) A person who has a right to be present at the location where the deadly force is used, who has not provoked the person against whom the deadly force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the deadly force is used is not required to retreat before using deadly force as described by this section.
(d) For purposes of Subsection (a)(2), in determining whether an actor described by Subsection (c) reasonably believed that the use of deadly force was necessary, a finder of fact may not consider whether the actor failed to retreat.
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By getting into a verbal argument, going in your house, and bringing out a gun, I can’t see how that isn’t the definition of provoking.
 
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Homsar said:
To have that freedom to escalate the situation is antithetical to self defense.
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That is genuinely an amazing sentence. 100% American and a great representation of the conversation that should be taking place about firearms training and self defense laws.

I think you're trail mix when it comes to most your STB posts, but that sentence is *chef's kiss*.

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Homsar said:
This 100%. It was a bad shoot, your property may be your castle in Texas, but you still have to justify feeling threatened and can’t instigate the shooting. The dude got into a verbal argument before going back inside to get his gun, then came back out to argue more. To have that freedom to escalate the situation is antithetical to self defense. The video angle changes right as he shoots and doesn’t show the victim, but it almost looked like he shot the guy in the back, which is a big no no for self defense shooting. When the shooter got away from the guy, he should have aimed at him, said “get off my property,” and if he charged the shooter, shot him then, in the front of his body, like Rittenhouse did. Like the picture says, the guy wasn’t an imminent deadly force threat when he was shot, therefore it’s not a clean shoot.




By getting into a verbal argument, going in your house, and bringing out a gun, I can’t see how that isn’t the definition of provoking.
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I don't disagree with anything being said here at all, it's a good take, mark it on the calendar haha. the article that accompanied the video I saw of it (believe it was a local paper) seemed to imply the DA was looking at filing charges but didn't deem dude enough a threat to society to arrest him. Curious to see if he's actually charged, as the DA doesnt seem to think it's as cut and dried if dude is still walking free.

100 percent totally an avoidable situation for sure, however if they end up not charging dude I won't be totally shocked.
 
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