Currency while on PPL

[SquawkHijack]

Does anyone know why it’s such a big deal to the agency if your currency lapses?

For context, I’m on PPL and under a handshake agreement with my OM to come in one day a week, basically taking it non-consecutively. And one of those days I had to bang out because my wife and child were very sick and I even reflected that in scheduler when I put in my sick leave. It caused my currency to lapse for the month but I got my certs back the very next week at the start of February but management issued me a PRoC for maintaining currency while on PPL. Not that PRoCs are a big deal at all but I guess I’m perplexed that I even would get one. Thoughts?

 

[Shikaka]

Management raises are at risk, does no one think of the bureaucracy!!!

 

[32andBelow]

Does anyone know why it’s such a big deal to the agency if your currency lapses?

For context, I’m on PPL and under a handshake agreement with my ATM to come in one nday a week, basically taking it non consecutively. And me of those days I had to bang out because my wife and child were very sick and I even reflected that in scheduler when I put in my sick leave. It caused my currency to lapse for the month but I got my certs back the very next week at the start of February but management issued me a PRoC for maintaining currency while on PPL. Not that PRoCs are a big deal at all but I guess I’m perplexed that I got one at all. Thoughts?

Hand that PROC right to the rep

 

[SquawkHijack]

Hand that PROC right to the rep

That’s the funny part, they didn’t even give me a copy of it in person. I just got a text from an OS saying that I got one and they said I could look at it in the employee snapshot column of CEDAR if I had questions…

Like how can you slap me on the wrist for my currency lapsing caused by me having to take sick leave on PPL, but then don’t want to give me a copy in person because I’m on PPL? Lmao pretty sure that formality doesn’t work both ways.

 

[the inquirer]

I don’t think they followed the correct process via CBA. Definitely run it by your rep or go read it in the slate book yourself. I lost currency two months in a row when I was on PPL and had to get over the shoulders two months in a row. No issues.

 

[GMX]

I think they have to give it to you in person. I've had a supe literally hide behind a corner in a one way hallway to ambush me and hand one off. One that previously got thrown out because he didn't hand to me personally. The 2nd one got thrown out too..

 

[SquawkHijack]

I don’t think they followed the correct process via CBA. Definitely run it by your rep or go read it in the slate book yourself. I lost currency two months in a row when I was on PPL and had to get over the shoulders two months in a row. No issues.

Yeah, I’m sure it’ll get thrown out for that alone. The principle issue to me though is that they [management] agreed to let me take PPL non-consecutively, let me come in one day a week and then when I have to bang out one day to literally care for a family member, apparently it is the position of the agency to want to take administrative action by documenting alleged negative performance against someone for failing to maintain operational currency?

I feel like the totality of that rationale could fall into grievance territory. Because frankly, they agreed to this and should’ve understood the implications of if I couldn’t come in one of the few days a month I’m supposed to and my currency lapses. That is 100% their problem and this PRoC really seems like mild reprisal for the aforementioned being so.

 

[Phillytroll69]

Couple of questions..
First-where does it say you are required to take ppl consecutively or non consecutively. We specifically negotiated intermittent use so have your facrep find it. I know at a few facilities they have not but if you want to make a case and escalate it because the union won't you would probably win.
Second-what does proc stand for? You got a text about a proc added to your file when you didn't even know about it.
Third-You worked the other three days each week and didn't hit 16 hours? What facility is this i need to transfer.
Fourth-where does it say you are required to maintain currency? A quick over the shoulder is an easy fix.
question-What if you get prescribed zyrtec for 6 months this summer and they have to completely retrain you? Are people getting procs every time they lose currency? Where's the precedent?

This needs to be escalated to eeoc as they are discriminating against your use of fmla.
Remedy is refund leave.

This would absolutely get stomped in court contact the eeoc complaint person. Do not give them medical records or sign anything during the investigation. Opt out of mediation. Do NOT do a fad, opt for a hearing. I'd probably just leave the union out of it (looks weak af)

Provide the investigator the mor, the federal, policy, etc. This is retaliation for you using leave. (Medical)

https://www.natca.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/PPL-Revision-MOU-Final-051624.pdf

Fact Sheet # 77B: Protection for Individuals under the FMLA

www.dol.gov

 

[D-Dub]

Not gonna dox you because that wouldn't help, but dude good luck if this has to go to regional. They are useless.

 

[jdatc]

I think they have to give it to you in person. I've had a supe literally hide behind a corner in a one way hallway to ambush me and hand one off. One that previously got thrown out because he didn't hand to me personally. The 2nd one got thrown out too..

I had one they tried to give me after the allotted time frame. I looked at it, laughed and handed it back to the supervisor. I said it’s too late to give me that. That was the end of it.

 

[CoffeeIV]

Bring that PRoC up to your rep if you care. It should get trashed easily. It takes minimal effort for them to watch you for 30mins-1hr if your currency lapses.

 

[32andBelow]

The best way is to take straight PPL and come in on OT for currency 💀

 

[SquawkHijack]

Bring that PRoC up to your rep if you care. It should get trashed easily. It takes minimal effort for them to watch you for 30mins-1hr if your currency lapses.

That’s exactly what happened too, I got watched and regained all my certs the very next week/the start of this month…

 

[Mike Kilo]

That’s exactly what happened too, I got watched and regained all my certs the very next week/the start of this month…

Look into the last time a sup lost currency and ask if they were PROCd for it lol.

 

[SquawkHijack]

Look into the last time a sup lost currency and ask if they were PROCd for it lol.

That’s beautiful lol.

 

[ZuluZulu]

Yeah, I’m sure it’ll get thrown out for that alone. The principle issue to me though is that they [management] agreed to let me take PPL non-consecutively, let me come in one day a week and then when I have to bang out one day to literally care for a family member, apparently it is the position of the agency to want to take administrative action by documenting alleged negative performance against someone for failing to maintain operational currency?

I feel like the totality of that rationale could fall into grievance territory. Because frankly, they agreed to this and should’ve understood the implications of if I couldn’t come in one of the few days a month I’m supposed to and my currency lapses. That is 100% their problem and this PRoC really seems like mild reprisal for the aforementioned being so.

You are correct. A PRoC for losing currency because you were out on FMLA/PPL is retaliation. And it’s not just interfering with your rights to exercise your right to FMLA, but other employees now as they may be dissuaded from using it for fear of punishment.

 

[wrench978]

I took 6 weeks of PPL, lost my currency, and had no issues getting recertified as soon as I got back. PRoC was not a consideration. Its not the first time Ive lost currency and wont be the last. Sorry youre getting shit for it.

 

[Bandit117]

Does anyone know why it’s such a big deal to the agency if your currency lapses?

For context, I’m on PPL and under a handshake agreement with my OM to come in one day a week, basically taking it non-consecutively. And one of those days I had to bang out because my wife and child were very sick and I even reflected that in scheduler when I put in my sick leave. It caused my currency to lapse for the month but I got my certs back the very next week at the start of February but management issued me a PRoC for maintaining currency while on PPL. Not that PRoCs are a big deal at all but I guess I’m perplexed that I even would get one. Thoughts?

Because the faa is run by a bunch of fucking morons who only care about metrics. They don’t want to know anything about you, they don’t want to know anything about the operation, they just want a number that’s green or red.

There is a metric for CPCs who didn’t get currency and have to get recertifed. You’d think they would have a column to explain why, like the person is on ppl but no. So they get shitty bc they think it makes them look bad to their bosses to report the truth.

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You are correct. A PRoC for losing currency because you were out on FMLA/PPL is retaliation. And it’s not just interfering with your rights to exercise your right to FMLA, but other employees now as they may be dissuaded from using it for fear of punishment.

He’s right. I’d talk to a lawyer. For shits and giggles, make them pay

 

[SquawkHijack]

Saw the PRoC itself. Just so everyone can see full context here, it reads verbatim:

“For January, you allowed your operational currency to lapse. You only logged 7+08 hours for tower and 6+38 hours for radar, while your monthly requirement is 8 hours on each position. Since December, you have been on paid parental leave with the understanding that you would work on Sundays to maintain your operational currency.

I recognize that you were on approved sick leave for one of those Sundays, which was beyond your control. Nevertheless, it is imperative that you prioritize obtaining your currency. Please work diligently with the supervisor on duty or other controllers to emphasize the importance of your time on position while at the facility. My expectation for February is that you will seize every opportunity to achieve your currency before the end of the month.“

 

[twn]

Saw the PRoC itself. Just so everyone can see full context here, it reads verbatim:

“For January, you allowed your operational currency to lapse. You only logged 7+08 hours for tower and 6+38 hours for radar, while your monthly requirement is 8 hours on each position. Since December, you have been on paid parental leave with the understanding that you would work on Sundays to maintain your operational currency.

I recognize that you were on approved sick leave for one of those Sundays, which was beyond your control. Nevertheless, it is imperative that you prioritize obtaining your currency. Please work diligently with the supervisor on duty or other controllers to emphasize the importance of your time on position while at the facility. My expectation for February is that you will seize every opportunity to achieve your currency before the end of the month.“

What a knob. This should be thrown out immediately