NATCA Petition

Would you sign a petition to trigger the following

  • A recall/no confidence vote for the removal of President Nick Daniels

  • Decertification of NATCA and their removal from AFL-CIO

  • Not sign anything and roll with the status quo


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This one is straight forward. After recent statements from special council, it’s time we stop and seriously consider these questions. Is NATCA really advocating for our best interests? Do they effectively do their job advocating for a workforce? What do you see NATCA achieving for your pay, benefits, working conditions, your facility? Should we cut ties with them and find a better labor union to join AFL-CIO, help us move forward and truly collaborate? Is NATCA setting the stage to extend the contract against the will of its members amidst the Trump administration taking office?
 
A public no confidence vote would be awesome but there is no avenue to force it and the losers would never voluntarily do it, just like the Canadian prime minister and Zelensky refusing to have elections.

Maybe locally there could be votes of no confidence and then that could be made public and forwarded up, but you need the Fac Rep to be involved in that, and while a slight few are ready to rebel most are still lap dogs, even the ones stuck at level 5’s with their careers in eternal purgatory sub 100K for life.
 
A public no confidence vote would be awesome but there is no avenue to force it and the losers would never voluntarily do it, just like the Canadian prime minister and Zelensky refusing to have elections.
Decertification for a public union I believe requires 30% of us to sign a petition to trigger a vote to decertify. I don’t think it would be hard to send a strong message at very least.
 
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Daniels is clearly a fraud, but sadly, I don’t think there’s any way to revive NATCA at this point. If Daniels were removed, it’s almost certain he’ll just be replaced with another union establishment fool who will only be concerned with maintaining the status quo.

The Freedman presentation was the perfect embodiment of what this organization has become. They belittle and ignore their members, going as far as to gaslight them and imply they’re all stupid, just so they can maintain their positions and their lifestyles. They are never going to be in-touch with the workforce, and as long as they continue representing us, we’re never going to get the raises we all know we deserve.

NATCA is no longer a union for air traffic controllers. It’s a country club for those already inside. It has to go.
 
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I’d say this thread deserves a revival considering how things are going….

Those of you out there who would like to temporarily de-unionize and start anew with a union that will actually fight when needed, please start spreading the word at your facilities that decertification is possible with a national majority vote by all members.

I can see where our union is headed and I personally don't like it at all. After this talk of seniority changes, I can see NATCA attempting to make your career absolutely hinge upon being a union member, they seem to be trying to open Pandora’s box. The entire organization (above the facrep level) is a wasteful scam, full of “controllers” who couldn’t separate two flies with a screen door .
 
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If NATCA was de-certified, ATC would be privatized before you could come up with an acronym for a new Union
Because you know all about the intricacies of privatizing an entire workforce lol. You just think that would happen in a day, a week, a month? Even if an EO came out effecting privatization, there would be tons to figure out. I’m just spitballing here, but you’d probably want to have a contractor picked out who would be willing to hire 10,000 peeps at the swoop of a pen, decide if you would privatize all controllers or just FAA and not DoD etc. I think us picking out a new union would be way simpler/faster. There’s a lot more to this than you think, which could certainly buy valuable time. Just look at the FSS transition to Leidos, that shit took YEARS and the FAA still employs some flight service 2152s in Alaska. Food for thought.
 
pick out a new union? so your plan is to de-certify, and then the next day just pick a new one to join? There's clearly a lot more to 'picking a new union' than you think
 
pick out a new union? so your plan is to de-certify, and then the next day just pick a new one to join? There's clearly a lot more to 'picking a new union' than you think

If NATCA was de-certified, ATC would be privatized before you could come up with an acronym for a new Union
NATCA leadership has been pushing for privatization for years, driven by Rinaldi's expectations for a payout for him.
 
Just wanted to add a point of context. I worked at a DOD facility that signed a petition to decertify our union (ironically we were trying to remove the existing union so we could join NATCA). The petition goes up to an agency called the Federal Labor Relations Agency and that agency administers an election. As you can imagine in the current administration the FLRA, an agency which is almost entirely made up of labor lawyers, has probably been entirely canned by DOGE. Our petition got unanimous support (100% of controllers signed) and still our petition has been awaiting further updates from FLRA for over a year. I have since left the facility, as have about half the controllers who signed the petition, and there has still been no election.

So keep that in mind if you decide to pursue this. I would recommend using something like this to drive a point home and show NATCA that you are serious about fighting them unless they give in to your demands, but know that the actual process of decertification is painfully slow and will probably take all the steam out of your fight before it gets the finish line.

It would probably be more effective to draft up the petition, do a "straw poll" where you can know the number of BUEs who would be willing to support decertification, and then bring those numbers and petition to a NATCA convention with demands such as amendments you want in exchange for dropping the issue.
 
Just wanted to add a point of context. I worked at a DOD facility that signed a petition to decertify our union (ironically we were trying to remove the existing union so we could join NATCA). The petition goes up to an agency called the Federal Labor Relations Agency and that agency administers an election. As you can imagine in the current administration the FLRA, an agency which is almost entirely made up of labor lawyers, has probably been entirely canned by DOGE. Our petition got unanimous support (100% of controllers signed) and still our petition has been awaiting further updates from FLRA for over a year. I have since left the facility, as have about half the controllers who signed the petition, and there has still been no election.

So keep that in mind if you decide to pursue this. I would recommend using something like this to drive a point home and show NATCA that you are serious about fighting them unless they give in to your demands, but know that the actual process of decertification is painfully slow and will probably take all the steam out of your fight before it gets the finish line.

It would probably be more effective to draft up the petition, do a "straw poll" where you can know the number of BUEs who would be willing to support decertification, and then bring those numbers and petition to a NATCA convention with demands such as amendments you want in exchange for dropping the issue.
Also, if your plan is to just switch unions, then you can actually have that union represent you in the decertification petition. The issue we ran into is that NATCA is affiliated with the AFL-CIO and so was the union we were trying to decertify. The AFL-CIO has a policy that member unions cannot take positions against each other to fight over the same workers.

So unless you chose a non AFL-CIO union, they would not be able to help until after you removed NATCA, which would be a hard sell to the membership. Also, in our case, we felt having an aviation specific union was important to us.
 
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