Bruh... this is the FAA, there’s no time for logic and reason! Senior management has a major failure to coverup, ain’t nobody got time for piddling concerns like science, and logic! We gotta get everyone back in the facility ASAP so we can train!
The woeful unpreparedness of Management
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Hissmeowra
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Quarantine until 14 days are up or test clones back negative, whichever comes first. If that were the policy, and it absolutely should be, somebody would be getting off their @$$ and figuring out how to get us tests
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Safety was never compromised!
I'm assuming they have the same supervisor setup as everyone else where they sit in the aisle and everyone in the fucking building walks past them unless they're the last 2 sectors? Did the supervisor only sit at the desk the entire time they were in the facility? I can't believe they didn't go to stand up or the bathroom or anything. They really dodged a bullet there.
Hahahaha this is so FAA. “Long-standing contingency plans”...have any of you guys bored on a mid read those “contingency plans”? It’s fantasy land and BS...with zero ability or mechanism for which any of it can actually be implemented. It’s comical.
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Lol how bout the plans post Chicago Center fire that says who takes whose airspace and what to do in non radar ATC Zero conditions. Theoretically it's all good...realistically.... biggest shitshow you'll ever see get your popcorn!
What do you mean we take over T75? Do we get any dysim training on this or anything? No? So this isn't an actual plan, just checking some boxes?
The FAA would never half ass anything like that!
When we were working ORD departures after the fire and talking to C90 on an actual telephone to pass flight plans and stuff I asked my supervisor what the legality of all this was and he could only say "It's a gray area". They'll do whatever they need to do when they need to do it and make up the rules needed to allow it. Nothing matters.
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They're banking on the ability to improvise because to actually flesh out and test real procedures costs money, for 'something that will never happen!'. And hopefully they look the other way while you do so.
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then why not do something about it? at some point you or your brothers or sisters will have to deal with it. You’d watch the place burn and say well it’s not my job.You can’t complain if you don’t help fix it.
There’s a difference between watching the place burn, and watching the place burn after you’ve called the fire department, pulled the sprinklers and find they don’t work, warned about fire hazards, etc. We pay the salaries of people who are responsible for protecting employees and in a position to actually do it. That’s how it works.
How exactly do you suggest controllers “do something about it”?
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LOL! Must be new
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What do you expect them to do? Those contingency plans are made a hell of a lot higher than the level of a CPC or Sup. We had 900+ documented PDs, on descend vias, in less than two weeks, and we were still required to do them. The guidance from our ATM was, “...the fish finder will keep the separated...”
Electricfence
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have you pointed this out once you realized how inadequate it is?to managment or union? Have you written your version of what you think should be done?
If no, then you haven’t called the fire department or pulled the sprinklers yet.
Yes, and it’s no secret that we have no practical ability to work airspace of an adjacent center. Airspace we don’t know, procedures we don’t know, no ability to call up adjacent center video maps, frequency coverage, etc.
You’re being pedantic and obtuse and know that’s not how this works.
Is the agency doing anything at all to try and get their hands on tests? I know that the testing situation in the US is absolutely abysmal, but if they can test sports people and movie stars then there are probably tests available for critical personnel or some way to get their hands on some. How about some temperature screens when you get to work? Maybe send people running a fever home? Something at all maybe?
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I kid you not, we have drawn the neighboring ZID sector map on an open sector in our area in anticipation of them going full ATC-0.
For anyone that hasn't been keeping up with this in the rest of the world, this is where we're headed:
We're somewhere around 7-9 days behind Italy. They're also not testing everyone they can, so the actual mortality rate probably isn't 8% but it's still very, very bad. I'm not going to get into lack of action by the federal government, but the agency absolutely needs to step up and do something in regards to testing and keeping sick people from coming to work.
We're somewhere around 7-9 days behind Italy. They're also not testing everyone they can, so the actual mortality rate probably isn't 8% but it's still very, very bad. I'm not going to get into lack of action by the federal government, but the agency absolutely needs to step up and do something in regards to testing and keeping sick people from coming to work.
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Different rules apply to the rich and famous, particularly at a time like this. Many people with actual symptoms can’t get a test, but every single NBA player got one.
Don’t blame the player, blame the game. The NBA’s job is to protect their organizations and they did. Not their fault big Cheeto can’t handle this crisis.
Testing for Tom Hanks and the like are all paid for by themselves through private companies, doesn't necessarily equate to "why isn't the FAA testing if the Utah Jazz got tested" doesn't mean they shouldn't have tests, just a poor comparison.
Same with Italy and the US. Poor comparison.
Same with Italy and the US. Poor comparison.
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