GulfBravoPapa
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Ha. We don't work overtime.
The woeful unpreparedness of Management
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ManBearPig
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Ours canceled everything over 7 days out, but let us keep within 7 days. Canceling the stuff over 7 days out is probably the right call. I want as few people in the facility as possible.
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PushingTin
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Do as I say, not as I do? The next Scene from Pushing NCEPT: The Legend Continues is probably going to be Nashville'centric! I bet he has a lower IQ than most of the controllers (IE, he came to work). They always promote the dumb ones.
Anyone else want to know who hijacked PushingTin ‘s account?
Hissmeowra
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When Spain went into a national lockdown over a week ago, they cut ATC staffing. At that time, Spain had 5000 cases. For perspective, NYC alone has 5000 cases now.
Flight delays in Spain because of reduced air traffic controller shifts
Spain's air navigation service provider, Enaire, reported "significant delays in Spanish airspace" on Saturday due to preventative measures against coronavirus it had put in place to reduce the number of air traffic controllers on each shift.
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Honestly I hope this resonates with people. For all the fallacies of the FAA we are still receiving a solid paycheque without any sort of pay reduction. Privatisation is not the way.
But they didn’t go ATC 0 out of the blue for an infection in the facility, reductions Bc reduced staff for less chance of virus transmission is differentWhen Spain went into a national lockdown over a week ago, they cut ATC staffing. At that time, Spain had 5000 cases. For perspective, NYC alone has 5000 cases now.
Flight delays in Spain because of reduced air traffic controller shifts
Spain's air navigation service provider, Enaire, reported "significant delays in Spanish airspace" on Saturday due to preventative measures against coronavirus it had put in place to reduce the number of air traffic controllers on each shift.www.reuters.com
Hissmeowra
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Yes. Reducing staffing early was the right thing to do. I don't know if any Spanish controllers have gotten the virus so I don't know what their response to that was/would be.
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PushingTin
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From the new NATCA update: 
"It seems as though we eventually get the FAA and other decision-makers to where they need to be, even though it is always much slower than we would like. In our update yesterday, we shared that the FAA finally allowed facilities to draw down personnel to only those needed for the operation. And, the day before that, we advised that the FAA suspended the national training initiative with local leadership having the ability to address what training should occur in their facility with safe physical distancing in mind. Unfortunately, in places where training has ceased, break rooms are overcrowded. We have and will continue to advocate on a number of other issues, including reduced staffing (yesterday air traffic was down 10% and today 20%) and outside the box thinking on how service is provided. To date, the FAA has not been willing to consider the idea of reducing service and instituting traffic management initiatives. "
"It seems as though we eventually get the FAA and other decision-makers to where they need to be, even though it is always much slower than we would like. In our update yesterday, we shared that the FAA finally allowed facilities to draw down personnel to only those needed for the operation. And, the day before that, we advised that the FAA suspended the national training initiative with local leadership having the ability to address what training should occur in their facility with safe physical distancing in mind. Unfortunately, in places where training has ceased, break rooms are overcrowded. We have and will continue to advocate on a number of other issues, including reduced staffing (yesterday air traffic was down 10% and today 20%) and outside the box thinking on how service is provided. To date, the FAA has not been willing to consider the idea of reducing service and instituting traffic management initiatives. "
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I shall state the obvious here, they want to stand before the media and say everything is running normally without issue. Also that they (not controllers) are working diligently to guarantee the safe, orderly, expeditious flow of Air Traffic and the system is unbreakable no matter the crisis , even at the risk of our (but not their) personal health (as they sit at home sipping scotch and telling the yes men to deny all leave short of testing positive for COVID). Someone give N90 a call...
HollyVVood
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THIS. I’ve heard the stories and seen some shit here and there but this is ridiculous. This is such an eye opener on the way they’re choosing to not do anything to reduce risk. It sounds dramatic but lives are literally at risk.
CaptainObvious
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Because it might delay that LAX to EWR flight with 3 passengers on board
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Phillyman2633
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Facilities are going to help them make their decisions for them.
Management and RVP insisted we did not have close enough contact with the Tech Ops guy that tested positive, even though we share a kitchen ad bathrooms. I got a Doctor's note that said I should quarantine for 2 weeks. Was told that was not enough to convince the powers that be, that the letter had to be from a "Public Health Official." So I did some legwork and was more than happy to send my RVP a letter from the NYC Department of Health official who has slightly more medical experience who concurred and insisted a 2 week quarantine starting as of yesterday. See you in 2 weeks!
Phillyman2633
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My ATM denied my admin leave, pending consultation with the regional leadership. There are at least 10 others in the tower who are working on getting the letter from the official, who advised they would be happy for me to share their information with my coworkers.
How have you guys been getting ahold of state health officials? I’ve been trying but they’re swamped. Same boat for me. Immunocompromised with a doctor note, admin/excused denied.
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Likewise, trying to get ahold of my City as well.
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I’ve been quarantined by the flight surgeon and my admin leave was denied. I asked why I wasn’t assigned article 45 duties when I was DQd (on an RDO) after I had asked for them in advance and the Regional President said there weren’t any available because I was sick.
So here I sit. On quarantine. Awaiting test results. Burning sick leave for the foreseeable future. Not allowed on site per the flight surgeon. And denied admin leave.
So here I sit. On quarantine. Awaiting test results. Burning sick leave for the foreseeable future. Not allowed on site per the flight surgeon. And denied admin leave.
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