2024 NATCA Election & The Purple and Light Blue CBAs

[Logical_Mongoose]

Remember when he told everyone how he was spearheading mental health for all us? Wonder where everyone’s mental health is at now that in the span of a week we’ve been told:
1.Give us more money
2. You make enough money
3. We will not fight for you whatsoever

You forgot:
4. Thank you for your dues money and PAC contributions.
5. You will get nothing new through at least 2029 and like it.
6. It's irresponsible and possibly illegal for you to get sick during the shutdown.

 

[showmethemoney]

You forgot:
4. Thank you for your dues money and PAC contributions.
5. You will get nothing new through at least 2029 and like it.
6. It's irresponsible and possibly illegal for you to get sick during the shutdown.

I finally made a choice to become a non paying member. This was the worst ratification ever. Other unions focus on pay increases and they wanted to stick to that 1.6% crap.

 

[ManBearPig]

I finally made a choice to become a non paying member. This was the worst ratification ever. Other unions focus on pay increases and they wanted to stick to that 1.6% crap.

You have proof NATCA didn't want more?

 

[showmethemoney]

You have proof they did?

 

[showmethemoney]

You have proof they did?

by the way I still don’t understand why we pay 4.4% mandatory retirement? Natca should have negotiated tahy down to 0 at least. I can take that 4.4% and invest in s&p 500 for a way greater return than a minuscule retirement check. One of the most spineless union ever.

 

[Nothanks]

by the way I still don’t understand why we pay 4.4% mandatory retirement? Natca should have negotiated tahy down to 0 at least. I can take that 4.4% and invest in s&p 500 for a way greater return than a minuscule retirement check. One of the most spineless union ever.

It’s a federal law

 

[Nothanks]

You forgot:
4. Thank you for your dues money and PAC contributions.
5. You will get nothing new through at least 2029 and like it.
6. It's irresponsible and possibly illegal for you to get sick during the shutdown.

Angry staff support specialist are my favorite

 

[DADDYSbabyBIRD]

by the way I still don’t understand why we pay 4.4% mandatory retirement? Natca should have negotiated tahy down to 0 at least. I can take that 4.4% and invest in s&p 500 for a way greater return than a minuscule retirement check. One of the most spineless union ever.

4.9... for anyone after 2014

 

[Termine]

I finally made a choice to become a non paying member.

Just to be precise, there's no such thing as a "non paying member." A member is a person who is in good standing with NATCA. You probably mean a "non paying bargaining unit employee." Everyone in the covered bargaining unit is a BUE whether or not they choose to be a dues-paying member of NATCA.

 

[penaltyvectors]

Telework was literally one of the biggest things they talked about during the briefings; and they would deflect whenever it was brought up that telework could be rescinded. It was infuriating; even more so now, knowing that there were only apparently 34 of us under that contract that aren't cowards.

So with the Trump EO requiring all government employees to return to work in-person, does this mean all the telework stuff they negotiated is now irrelevant?

 

[echster]

So with the Trump EO requiring all government employees to return to work in-person, does this mean all the telework stuff they negotiated is now irrelevant?

No. Below is the entire Presidential Memorandum (not Executive Order). The highlighted parts are mine. The "return to work" is not as strict as being portrayed in the media as there are exemptions available. Additionally, the new CBA is binding on the parties and action can be taken under applicable law to enforce any and all provisions of the CBA. That said, I noted in another post somewhere that the are some Mack Truck-size loopholes in the Telework section of the CBA available to the FAA. So we'll see......

Presidential Memorandum

"Return to In-Person Work"

Heads of all departments and agencies in the executive branch of Government shall, as soon as practicable, take all necessary steps to terminate remote work arrangements and require employees to return to work in-person at their respective duty stations on a full-time basis, provided that the department and agency heads shall make exemptions they deem necessary.

This memorandum shall be implemented consistent with applicable law.

 

[GulfCharlie]

No. Below is the entire Presidential Memorandum (not Executive Order). The highlighted parts are mine. The "return to work" is not as strict as being portrayed in the media as there are exemptions available. Additionally, the new CBA is binding on the parties and action can be taken under applicable law to enforce any and all provisions of the CBA. That said, I noted in another post somewhere that the are some Mack Truck-size loopholes in the Telework section of the CBA available to the FAA. So we'll see......

Presidential Memorandum

"Return to In-Person Work"

Heads of all departments and agencies in the executive branch of Government shall, as soon as practicable, take all necessary steps to terminate remote work arrangements and require employees to return to work in-person at their respective duty stations on a full-time basis, provided that the department and agency heads shall make exemptions they deem necessary.

This memorandum shall be implemented consistent with applicable law.

Personal curiosity on the loopholes, spare a moment to educate?

 

[32andBelow]

No. Below is the entire Presidential Memorandum (not Executive Order). The highlighted parts are mine. The "return to work" is not as strict as being portrayed in the media as there are exemptions available. Additionally, the new CBA is binding on the parties and action can be taken under applicable law to enforce any and all provisions of the CBA. That said, I noted in another post somewhere that the are some Mack Truck-size loopholes in the Telework section of the CBA available to the FAA. So we'll see......

Presidential Memorandum

"Return to In-Person Work"

Heads of all departments and agencies in the executive branch of Government shall, as soon as practicable, take all necessary steps to terminate remote work arrangements and require employees to return to work in-person at their respective duty stations on a full-time basis, provided that the department and agency heads shall make exemptions they deem necessary.

This memorandum shall be implemented consistent with applicable law.

I think people need to realize that the trump administrators are going to enforce the strict side of any EO and not the discretion side.

 

[GulfCharlie]

I think people need to realize that the trump administrators are going to enforce the strict side of any EO and not the discretion side.

Agreed, but even my contract specifies (and I believe OPM) the different between remote and telework. PASS sent an email 10 minutes of the EO going out last night that they intend to FIGHT to enforce the CBA not to mention several other things.

 

[echster]

Personal curiosity on the loopholes, spare a moment to educate?

From an earlier post:

My two cents: There actually isn't "strong" language in the CBA regarding telework.

The CBA provides the parties with criteria to apply for telework agreements (Art 68, Sec 8). But the CBA also provides procedures for modifying (including agency-initiated modification), denying, and terminating telework agreements (Art 68, Sec 9).

This criteria in Sec 8 is large enough to drive a Mac Truck through: "The request would not have an adverse impact on any Agency operation or the mission of the FAA, including customer service and team productivity[.]"

If any Administration (not just the Trump Administration) says telework has an adverse impact on the Agency and orders the Administrator to terminate all telework agreements, then telework agreements are going to get terminated. At the end of the day, if that happens, you have to immediately comply and then grieve any telework agreement termination lest they fire you for insubordination or failure to show up for work (AWOL).

Legally-speaking, the broadness of the words "on any" and "the mission" within Section 8 of this Article is Mac Truck sized. Read in context, the Agency gets to determine what is and isn't an adverse impact. If the Agency itself determines it to be "an adverse impact on any Agency operation or the mission," they can terminate telework agreements under Section 9.

 

[echster]

And an OPM Guidance Memo has just gone out to all Agencies ordering them to terminate almost all telework and remote work.

They are adopting a one-size-fits-all style of "centralized policy requiring return-to-work for all agencies across the federal government." They are doing this because "(s)eeking to cajole individual agencies to try to get employees to return to the worksite has not succeeded."

The memo sets a target date of 30 days to comply to allow for collective bargaining obligations.