Dual citizenship with a clearance

Typeass

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Any controllers apply for dual citizenship while you were already in the agency? I have the ability to get automatic to the UK but I don't want to do it if its a big issue. Do i have to get a new security clearance, are there red flags, what happens?
 

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You should be fine. I have dual citizenship with a country that USA is not on best terms with. I had it before joining the agency but I don’t see it mattering before or after. How would a UK citizenship benefit you?
 

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You should be fine. I have dual citizenship with a country that USA is not on best terms with. I had it before joining the agency but I don’t see it mattering before or after. How would a UK citizenship benefit you?
Lol honestly just think it would be cool to have othen than the short line going there. Since its automatic i dont have to do much to get it.

You should be fine. I have dual citizenship with a country that USA is not on best terms with. I had it before joining the agency but I don’t see it mattering before or after. How would a UK citizenship benefit you?
What did they make you do, did you have to show anything?
 

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I also have dual citizenship. I had to be interviewed by an investigator and he asked for photocopies ( due to covid we couldn't meet in person) of my ID card from the other country and every page of my US passport, old and current. You'll probably be asked to show them your passports and say if you're traveled on that passport. Traveling on a non-US passport seemed to be their biggest concern. I've never been issued a passport from my dual citizenship country and therefore only ever traveled on my US passport. If you have, it shouldn't disqualify you, but they will ask. They asked me why I never renounced or why I keep it and my answer was because I was born with it, I never wanted to pay to relinquish it because such things cost money and I keep it for the guaranteed right to visit family because as you've seen with the UK, laws can change a LOT. I had to swear allegiance to the US and swear I would renounce dual citizenship if US were ever in conflict with the other country (very unlikely).
 
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slim

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What did they make you do, did you have to show anything?
Your next security clearance would prolly be more involved. That’s prolly all. As stated in the other comment, they question every stamp in your other passport. And I had many stamps from a non-friendly country.
 

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I also have dual citizenship. I had to be interviewed by an investigator and he asked for photocopies ( due to covid we couldn't meet in person) of my ID card from the other country and every page of my US passport, old and current. You'll probably be asked to show them your passports and say if you're traveled on that passport. Traveling on a non-US passport seemed to be their biggest concern. I've never been issued a passport from my dual citizenship country and therefore only ever traveled on my US passport. If you have, it shouldn't disqualify you, but they will ask. They asked me why I never renounced or why I keep it and my answer was because I was born with it, I never wanted to pay to relinquish it because such things cost money and I keep it for the guaranteed right to visit family because as you've seen with the UK, laws can change a LOT. I had to swear allegiance to the US and swear I would renounce dual citizenship if US were ever in conflict with the other country (very unlikely).
This is super interesting, but what's hilarious to think about is caring if some FAA employee renounced his UK citizenship or not during a time of war. Cause if we went to war with the UK, I feel like the world is so messed up we have bigger problems than that 😂
 

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You cannot hold a Top Secret Clearance with dual citizenship. I *believe* it may be the same for a secret clearance as well. As far as clearances, not that many controllers in the FAA actually have them. Command Center, ARTCCs, some select consolidated approaches, and that's about it. The majority of people just have a SSBI, which is just a background investigation. People who hold actual clearances in the Agency, know they have a clearance. It's also not a one-and-done, which is 10 years for a Secret and 5 years for a TS. I don't hold a clearance in the FAA, but have (and still hold) various levels in the military (reservist).
 

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You cannot hold a Top Secret Clearance with dual citizenship. I *believe* it may be the same for a secret clearance as well. As far as clearances, not that many controllers in the FAA actually have them. Command Center, ARTCCs, some select consolidated approaches, and that's about it. The majority of people just have a SSBI, which is just a background investigation. People who hold actual clearances in the Agency, know they have a clearance. It's also not a one-and-done, which is 10 years for a Secret and 5 years for a TS. I don't hold a clearance in the FAA, but have (and still hold) various levels in the military (reservist).
Some of this is not true, you can have dual citizenship and hold a clearance. Single Scope Background Investigation (SSBI) is a type of security investigation conducted by the US Government to obtain a Top Secret (TS) clearance and access to Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI), no air traffic controller would get one outside of a side gig that required it. Everyone who does ATC should have a public trust security clearance, thats why through the hiring process you should have submitted an EQIP essentially applying for a clearance. You should check with your adjudicating source or security clearance manager before applying for dual citizenship, but it for the UK it shouldnt be an issue. Feel free to hit me up if you have any further questions, I used to have a job requiring a TS/SCI and managed a whole crew of people with em.
 

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Some of this is not true, you can have dual citizenship and hold a clearance. Single Scope Background Investigation (SSBI) is a type of security investigation conducted by the US Government to obtain a Top Secret (TS) clearance and access to Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI), no air traffic controller would get one outside of a side gig that required it. Everyone who does ATC should have a public trust security clearance, thats why through the hiring process you should have submitted an EQIP essentially applying for a clearance. You should check with your adjudicating source or security clearance manager before applying for dual citizenship, but it for the UK it shouldnt be an issue. Feel free to hit me up if you have any further questions, I used to have a job requiring a TS/SCI and managed a whole crew of people with em.
I’ve got a secret clearance
 

Kilo Oscar

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Some of this is not true, you can have dual citizenship and hold a clearance. Single Scope Background Investigation (SSBI) is a type of security investigation conducted by the US Government to obtain a Top Secret (TS) clearance and access to Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI), no air traffic controller would get one outside of a side gig that required it. Everyone who does ATC should have a public trust security clearance, thats why through the hiring process you should have submitted an EQIP essentially applying for a clearance. You should check with your adjudicating source or security clearance manager before applying for dual citizenship, but it for the UK it shouldnt be an issue. Feel free to hit me up if you have any further questions, I used to have a job requiring a TS/SCI and managed a whole crew of people with em.
Oh yes, completely agree that we have public trust investigations, I just would not refer to it as a "security clearance," as there are only realistically 3 levels of clearances: TS, Secret, and Confidential. There are a gambit of add-ons, such as the SCI as you mentioned, among many others which usually accompany a TS. I know Command Center peeps typically hold a TS, I just don't know that they have an SCI identifier necessary for it. Command Center sounds like a super cool gig at some point, but down the road for sure.

From state.gov:

"What is a public trust? A non-sensitive position?

Public trust and low risk/non-sensitive determinations are not security clearances.

Public trust determinations are requested for applicants whose positions will require access to information at the high- or moderate-risk levels, based upon duties and responsibilities of the position. A public trust background investigation will include many aspects of a full security clearance investigation.

Low-risk/non-sensitive determinations are requested for applicants whose positions have low-risk levels, based upon duties and responsibilities of the position."
 

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Oh yes, completely agree that we have public trust investigations, I just would not refer to it as a "security clearance," as there are only realistically 3 levels of clearances: TS, Secret, and Confidential. There are a gambit of add-ons, such as the SCI as you mentioned, among many others which usually accompany a TS. I know Command Center peeps typically hold a TS, I just don't know that they have an SCI identifier necessary for it. Command Center sounds like a super cool gig at some point, but down the road for sure.

From state.gov:

"What is a public trust? A non-sensitive position?

Public trust and low risk/non-sensitive determinations are not security clearances.

Public trust determinations are requested for applicants whose positions will require access to information at the high- or moderate-risk levels, based upon duties and responsibilities of the position. A public trust background investigation will include many aspects of a full security clearance investigation.

Low-risk/non-sensitive determinations are requested for applicants whose positions have low-risk levels, based upon duties and responsibilities of the position."
I have a buddy that is a military liaison at ZKC. He holds a top secret SCI and must also maintain Presidential Support Program (PSP) status. He (as are all mil liaisons) is usually involved with things like presidential route planning and fun stuff like that. Pretty sweet gig if you ask me.
 
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