Government Shutdown - March Edition

32andBelow said:

Was this at the FAA sup party in Vegas?

I can’t imagine a more wretched hive of scum and villainy than an FAA management convention in Vegas…

Unless they invited the NEB so they can all collaborate each other in the ass once again.

SquawkHijack said:

An appropriations resolution requires 60 votes. Dems don’t have a majority on either side of Congress sure, but I definitely wouldn’t say they don’t have any leverage here. Otherwise the GOP would’ve done their typical thing and just passed this. Which is all they want to do, meanwhile Dems want to argue over pork for ACA subsidies. Just like the Republicans did to try to fund the wall. You do realize they could just cave and then revisit this for deliberation on the floor another time right? Instead they want to leverage a shutdown over it. This one is not a GOP problem and I don’t think it’s nationally perceived the way you think it is.

You are absolutely incorrect to suggest that a budget bill cannot be passed without 60 votes in the Senate. The Republicans have already eliminated the Senate filibuster twice for other agenda items in this very term, to include doing it just last month. They can eliminate the filibuster for this as well with nothing more than their majority. They don’t need a single Democratic vote in the Senate to eliminate the filibuster and then pass their budget bill. Also, according to polling, this is a Republican shutdown.

DOD4Life said:

You are absolutely incorrect to suggest that a budget bill cannot be passed without 60 votes in the Senate. The Republicans have already eliminated the Senate filibuster twice for other agenda items in this very term, to include doing it just last month. They can eliminate the filibuster for this as well with nothing more than their majority. They don’t need a single Democratic vote in the Senate to eliminate the filibuster and then pass their budget bill. Also, according to polling, this is a Republican shutdown.

I put as much stock in political polls as I do Nick Daniels

Bandit117 said:

I put as much stock in political polls as I do Nick Daniels

People actually don’t like their health care tripling.

32andBelow said:

People actually don’t like their health care tripling.

Then why did the dems/repubs make it more expensive?

The simple truth is this-democrat8c voters are more likely to vote in line with historical policies/voting records. Republicans are more likely to vote with who they feel is best.

There literally isn't a point in arguing because it's two seperate conversations.
IE

Democrats vote for expanded healthcare regulations in the boonies.

Republicans mention that illegals might get some of the money.

Neither one of them is going to change sides. Republicans will be willing to destroy "obamacare" while dems shout about universal access.

Now that bcbs is 1k a month I'm a socialist anyway funding fat controllers ozempic

DOD4Life said:

You are absolutely incorrect to suggest that a budget bill cannot be passed without 60 votes in the Senate. The Republicans have already eliminated the Senate filibuster twice for other agenda items in this very term, to include doing it just last month. They can eliminate the filibuster for this as well with nothing more than their majority. They don’t need a single Democratic vote in the Senate to eliminate the filibuster and then pass their budget bill. Also, according to polling, this is a Republican shutdown.

Still shows where the Dems’ priorities lie when there are bigger fish to fry atm. Also polls are fucking useless at this point. I remember seeing polls that said Kamala was leading by a half a percent in several states that have been historically red, and the election determined that was a lie.

Phillytroll69 said:

Then why did the dems/repubs make it more expensive?

The simple truth is this-democrat8c voters are more likely to vote in line with historical policies/voting records. Republicans are more likely to vote with who they feel is best.

There literally isn't a point in arguing because it's two seperate conversations.
IE

Democrats vote for expanded healthcare regulations in the boonies.

Republicans mention that illegals might get some of the money.

Neither one of them is going to change sides. Republicans will be willing to destroy "obamacare" while dems shout about universal access.

Now that bcbs is 1k a month I'm a socialist anyway funding fat controllers ozempic

Brother join us at MHBP.

32andBelow said:

Brother join us at MHBP.

I was thinking between MHBP Consumer and GEHA HDHP. Probably MHBP cause I'm not interested in United Healthcare #FreeLuigi

SquawkHijack said:

Still shows where the Dems’ priorities lie when there are bigger fish to fry atm. Also polls are fucking useless at this point. I remember seeing polls that said Kamala was leading by a half a percent in several states that have been historically red, and the election determined that was a lie.

So, polls, which follow the scientific methodology of the field of Statistics “are fucking useless,” but when the poster I replied to stated “This one is not a GOP problem and I don’t think it’s nationally perceived the way you think it is,” he/she was relying on what: vibes, personal preference, wishes, hopes and dreams?

Shikaka said:

I was thinking between MHBP Consumer and GEHA HDHP. Probably MHBP cause I'm not interested in United Healthcare #FreeLuigi

I’m on MHBP standard and I love it. But I’ve never really tried the HDHP thing. Everything has been so smooth. And the Aetna app is actually really good. Way better than the blue cross one.

DOD4Life said:

So, polls, which follow the scientific methodology of the field of Statistics “are fucking useless,” but when the poster I replied to stated “This one is not a GOP problem and I don’t think it’s nationally perceived the way you think it is,” he/she was relying on what: vibes, personal preference, wishes, hopes and dreams?

Mood rings, horoscopes, and chakra crystals are all we need brother.

DOD4Life said:

So, polls, which follow the scientific methodology of the field of Statistics “are fucking useless,” but when the poster I replied to stated “This one is not a GOP problem and I don’t think it’s nationally perceived the way you think it is,” he/she was relying on what: vibes, personal preference, wishes, hopes and dreams?

Polls are useless these days because they’re just skewed or even false data and I just gave a solid example as to why… though it doesn’t really matter which side of the aisle it’s for. They’re all the same.

SquawkHijack said:

Polls are useless these days because they’re just skewed or even false data and I just gave a solid example as to why… though it doesn’t really matter which side of the aisle it’s for. They’re all the same.

You simply don’t understand polling or statistics. You wouldn’t know a margin of error or a confidence interval if it bit you in the ass.

DOD4Life said:

You simply don’t understand polling or statistics. You wouldn’t know a margin of error or a confidence interval if it bit you in the ass.

What’s not to understand? I read the claims of data that polls are indicating, and almost all are simply not accurate.

You’re telling me Kamala somehow leading in historically red states during the end of the ‘24 election isn’t inaccurate? She didn’t even win a swing state lol, not one. And I don’t know what a margin of error is? You mean like both times orange man didn’t get the popular vote but still won the presidency? Lmao election polls are almost all about 95% confident and 60% accurate… a reasonable person would call that difference pretty useless.

Republicans are the biggest victims on planet earth it's really funny to see from the other side of the world

DOD4Life said:

You are absolutely incorrect to suggest that a budget bill cannot be passed without 60 votes in the Senate. The Republicans have already eliminated the Senate filibuster twice for other agenda items in this very term, to include doing it just last month. They can eliminate the filibuster for this as well with nothing more than their majority. They don’t need a single Democratic vote in the Senate to eliminate the filibuster and then pass their budget bill. Also, according to polling, this is a Republican shutdown.

Uh, no. You can't pick and choose when to "eliminate the filibuster" like you say, it just exists until Senate rules are permanently changed, which neither side has the will to do in fear it will be used against them should they use power.

The filibuster does not apply to a budget reconciliation bill, of which one can be passed per term. Items in this bill must directly be related to federal budgeting, meaning no non-budget related pork as evaluated by the Senate Parliamentarian. The Republicans' OBBB was the budget reconciliation bill this term, there was no second filibuster-exempt bill.

DOD4Life said:

You are absolutely incorrect to suggest that a budget bill cannot be passed without 60 votes in the Senate. The Republicans have already eliminated the Senate filibuster twice for other agenda items in this very term, to include doing it just last month. They can eliminate the filibuster for this as well with nothing more than their majority. They don’t need a single Democratic vote in the Senate to eliminate the filibuster and then pass their budget bill. Also, according to polling, this is a Republican shutdown.

Also, filibusters with appropriations work differently. For the majority to eliminate it, they would have to leverage a majority vote to literally change chamber precedent. (Dangerous methodology)

And trying to go the route of budget reconciliation doesn’t cover all appropriations. It’s important to consider what’s being filibustered, silly.

AB19 said:

Republicans are the biggest victims on planet earth it's really funny to see from the other side of the world

Not disagreeing but Australia has its own problems hoss so have fun but everyone is fucked up in their own way

Gauff said:

Not disagreeing but Australia has its own problems hoss so have fun but everyone is fucked up in their own way

True but at least people aren't getting iced

DOD4Life said:

You simply don’t understand polling or statistics. You wouldn’t know a margin of error or a confidence interval if it bit you in the ass.

If you truly knew what those words meant you’d know how easy it is to find or exclude datasets that will reflect anything you want them to.