Shoot The Breeze 3.0

[AB19]

Just because you insert yourself into a shitty situation, doesn't mean you lose your right to life. In your hypothetical, it's like one guy in the brawl whipped out a knife and said "I'm gonna fucking kill you!" and then the other dude grabbed the cue ball and threw it and domed the dude and he died. Your argument is that because the guy who threw the cue ball ever stupidly got involved, he should've just taken a knife to jugular and bled out because he doesn't have the right to defend his life anymore. What a fucking dumb argument. I guess Kyle should've just let the mob smash his face in, kick the shit out of him, and let them take his own gun and shoot him with it because he never should've been there in the first place. Only the good citizens and "peaceful protesters" should've been there as they peacefully burned the city down. If you can make the argument that Kyle didn't have the right to defend his life because he put himself in that position but ignore the fact that the mob attacking him also put themselves in that position, you're logic and argument are both flawed.

Fearing for your life is such a horse shit argument though, who defines that? And who doesn’t get chased after already shooting someone, no shit you’re going to get chased

 

[32andBelow]

He absolutely could have prevented it by not showing up to live out his militia sheepdawg fantasies, but I guess that's up to the court to decide. He's no hero, just a piece of shit clinging onto a technicality in hopes he isn't about to get taken to no fun pound town for the next 60 years.

You want to kill people in support of the American economy, join the US army, they'll even provide the teenager with the rifle for free, and no court cases to boot!

Bet my bottom dollar if he gets off he has an edgy American flag on the sleeve t shirt line and a YouTube channel spouting bullshit, and a media spot on Fox News/OANN inside of 6 months though.

He could have just waited a year and joined the marines

 

[Acquired Taste]

Fearing for your life is such a horse shit argument though, who defines that? And who doesn’t get chased after already shooting someone, no shit you’re going to get chased

The courts define it. They determine the circumstances and the evidence presented and determine if there was a reasonable expectation that great bodily harm or death was imminent and if there were and alternate courses of action that would have resulted in a better outcome and decide if they actions were justified or not. And if we're pointing the finger at people for making stupid choices, let's point it at those dummies who chased the guy with the gun right? What did they think was going to happen?

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Just because you insert yourself into a shitty situation, doesn't mean you lose your right to life. In your hypothetical, it's like one guy in the brawl whipped out a knife and said "I'm gonna fucking kill you!" and then the other dude grabbed the cue ball and threw it and domed the dude and he died. Your argument is that because the guy who threw the cue ball ever stupidly got involved, he should've just taken a knife to jugular and bled out because he doesn't have the right to defend his life anymore. What a fucking dumb argument. I guess Kyle should've just let the mob smash his face in, kick the shit out of him, and let them take his own gun and shoot him with it because he never should've been there in the first place. Only the good citizens and "peaceful protesters" should've been there as they peacefully burned the city down. If you can make the argument that Kyle didn't have the right to defend his life because he put himself in that position but ignore the fact that the mob attacking him also put themselves in that position, you're logic and argument are both flawed.

No I'm not saying you just say "oh well I guess i die now", but you better be prepared to deal with the consequences, which he is now. "But they were in the wrong too" doesn't absolve his wrongdoing in unnecessarily putting himself in that situation.

I'm saying you want to go play extrajudical big boy games with an illegally possessed firearm you are gonna win judicial big boy prizes. He's not a cop, or a security guard, he had no training, and wasn't there to protect anything he even had a vested interest in.

There's plenty of court precedence for cases where people have inserted themselves in situations which necessitated them causing bodily harm or death and been charged with assault/manslaughter/murder, particularly when we are dealing with guns, and people who are possessing them illegally or using them irresponsibly.

Fearing for your life is such a horse shit argument though, who defines that? And who doesn’t get chased after already shooting someone, no shit you’re going to get chased

Eh honestly I'll give him that. I'd be fearing for my life too if I just shot a dude when I was surrounded by a crowd of people who were sympathetic with the same cause and all riled up. Mob mentality is real. I bet he was scared shitless I don't doubt that. Play stupid games win stupid prizes as the law and order crowd likes to say.

That said, I also am not a scummy piece of shit who would go out of my way to show up to a protest of people who I know are gonna disagree with my presence, with a rifle, with the intention of taking a "security" posture against an overly anti security crowd over stuff that isn't mine so I can make up for my micropeen fragility with a super cool gun that I fetishize.... with no training or support from the owner or local law enforcement so I can try and intimidate people and feel good about my shitty upper midwest teenage angst existence.

 

[AB19]

Eh honestly I'll give him that. I'd be fearing for my life too if I just shot a dude when I was surrounded by a crowd of people who were sympathetic with the same cause and all riled up. Mob mentality is real. I bet he was scared shitless I don't doubt that. Play stupid games win stupid prizes as the law and order crowd likes to say.

That said, I also am not a scummy piece of shit who would go out of my way to show up to a protest of people who I know are gonna disagree with my presence, with a rifle, with the intention of taking a "security" posture against an overly anti security crowd over stuff that isn't mine so I can make up for my micropeen fragility with a super cool gun that I fetishize.... with no training or support from the owner or local law enforcement so I can try and intimidate people and feel good about my shitty upper midwest teenage angst existence.

Hey man he already hits women he’s halfway to being a cop already

 

[32andBelow]

Hey man he already hits women he’s halfway to being a cop already

Once he gets off some department in Florida will prolly hire him immediately

 

[Mike Kilo]

Too soon? ? I love how half the people up in arms about him illegally having the firearm were encouraging all the looting and rioting and assaults going on across the county.

 

[CF]

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Too soon? ? I love how half the people up in arms about him illegally having the firearm were encouraging all the looting and rioting and assaults going on across the county.

aside from the pedo. Does being those things make you deserving of death?

I imagine the group who thinks its okay to shoot this domestic abuser and the ones who think it was the crime of the century to shoot Ashli Babbitt are pretty much aligned.

 

[Mike Kilo]

aside from the pedo. Does being those things make you deserving of death?

I imagine the group who thinks its okay to shoot this domestic abuser and the ones who think it was the crime of the century to shoot Ashli Babbitt are pretty much aligned.

I think anyone not complying and trying to break in should have been shot. As all the other rioting and looting for BLM have shown there are plenty of assaults and life threatening going on by people who think differently. Their lives should have felt threatened, mine would have felt threatened if I was in there.

So I am one example where your statement doesn’t line up. I’d bet there are many other pro 2A and conservative leaning people who would agree.

They didn’t deserve death no, but they chose to put someone in a position where they felt their life was threatened. They didn’t just stand there and get shot.

Most of you would feel the same way about the shooting if it wasn’t Kyle and instead a business owner. “He shouldn’t have been there”. “He knew there were riots and should have left”. The arguments would have been the same. “Black Lives Matter so riots are okay!” “Stand down police and don’t protect or serve!” “His life wasn’t in danger, they just wanted to loot his livelihood!” “He brought a gun because he wanted to kill people”. Etc etc.

Its all a joke. Pick and choose what laws you want followed. Some are okay. Others aren’t. Blah blah. But the cause!! Blah blah. I agree he was dumb to be there. A half hour from his house isn’t shit though. I commute an hour to work and anything I want to do is a half hour from home. After watching the video he was threatened every time and he deescalated and ran away when he could. He didn’t mag drop in fear or fire blindly.

 

[32andBelow]

I think anyone not complying and trying to break in should have been shot. As all the other rioting and looting for BLM have shown there are plenty of assaults and life threatening going on by people who think differently. Their lives should have felt threatened, mine would have felt threatened if I was in there.

So I am one example where your statement doesn’t line up. I’d bet there are many other pro 2A and conservative leaning people who would agree.

They didn’t deserve death no, but they chose to put someone in a position where they felt their life was threatened. They didn’t just stand there and get shot.

Most of you would feel the same way about the shooting if it wasn’t Kyle and instead a business owner. “He shouldn’t have been there”. “He knew there were riots and should have left”. The arguments would have been the same. “Black Lives Matter so riots are okay!” “Stand down police and don’t protect or serve!” “His life wasn’t in danger, they just wanted to loot his livelihood!” “He brought a gun because he wanted to kill people”. Etc etc.

Its all a joke. Pick and choose what laws you want followed. Some are okay. Others aren’t. Blah blah. But the cause!! Blah blah. I agree he was dumb to be there. A half hour from his house isn’t shit though. I commute an hour to work and anything I want to do is a half hour from home. After watching the video he was threatened every time and he deescalated and ran away when he could. He didn’t mag drop in fear or fire blindly.

Just comply bro. Unless it’s to get the vaccine

 

[CF]

I think anyone not complying and trying to break in should have been shot. As all the other rioting and looting for BLM have shown there are plenty of assaults and life threatening going on by people who think differently. Their lives should have felt threatened, mine would have felt threatened if I was in there.

So I am one example where your statement doesn’t line up. I’d bet there are many other pro 2A and conservative leaning people who would agree.

They didn’t deserve death no, but they chose to put someone in a position where they felt their life was threatened. They didn’t just stand there and get shot.

Most of you would feel the same way about the shooting if it wasn’t Kyle and instead a business owner. “He shouldn’t have been there”. “He knew there were riots and should have left”. The arguments would have been the same. “Black Lives Matter so riots are okay!” “Stand down police and don’t protect or serve!” “His life wasn’t in danger, they just wanted to loot his livelihood!” “He brought a gun because he wanted to kill people”. Etc etc.

Its all a joke. Pick and choose what laws you want followed. Some are okay. Others aren’t. Blah blah. But the cause!! Blah blah. I agree he was dumb to be there. A half hour from his house isn’t shit though. I commute an hour to work and anything I want to do is a half hour from home. After watching the video he was threatened every time and he deescalated and ran away when he could. He didn’t mag drop in fear or fire blindly.

Yeah but rittenhouse dick riders are using those qualities about them to minimize their deaths. Like it’s okay because of that.

I’d say generally speaking the video shows he tried to get away in certain situations but I also think he put himself in a situation that it was obvious his weapon would be a flash point and a reasonable person would know better. That’s why i think his self defense claim is bogus. It’s like wearing a meat suit into a lions den, what the fuck did you think was going to happen?

 

[AB19]

If I can’t shoot you for doing something I don’t like that’s communism. I’m sure we shouldn’t have invaded the Middle East over 9/11 because they just ran a plane into buildings because they felt threatened, honestly we should applaud them for defending their country so heroically

 

[Mike Kilo]

If I can’t shoot you for doing something I don’t like that’s communism. I’m sure we shouldn’t have invaded the Middle East over 9/11 because they just ran a plane into buildings because they felt threatened, honestly we should applaud them for defending their country so heroically

Something I don’t like VS doing something to me are totally different. Where y’all getting 9/11 from, did that come up in the closing remarks? Jesus. And wtf does a vaccine mandate have to do with this case? It’s not illegal to decide not to get vaccinated (yet) but we all know it’s coming sooner or later. I personally feel that if someone threatens me or my family they have chosen to forfeit their lives. It’s not my fault they made a stupid decision and I shouldn’t have to wait until my head is bashed into the sidewalk 5 times before I feel my life is threatened.

But I agree he was dumb and shouldn’t have been there and also why I’m 100% for conceal carry. I don’t want anyone to know I’m armed until I have a need and I also don’t want to make people uncomfortable by having a firearm on display. I also choose not to carry sometimes because our justice system is set up to protect the criminals 100% and there are so many ways for shit to fall back on me. As people have mentioned how do you know which shooter might be in the wrong? A lot to consider. Decisions with extreme consequences.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

I love how all the Rittenhouse apologists/fan boys are in here flouting all the lawlessness and illegality going on during the riot as an excuse for his actions, yet not a single one, in multiple posts where I mentioned Rittenhouse himself, in the act of carrying the firearm at the center of this whole discussion, was breaking state and federal laws by doing so is acknowledging his own illegal actions like he's some kind of hero. I just don't get it.

Like so what MikeKilo , breaking a window is a death sentence at the hands of a vigilante, no trial, no jury, boom property crime=dead, but illegally possessing a firearm, which was illegally purchased, in an act of vigilantism not sanctioned by any body of authority or any property owner is peak law and order? What a fuckin joke of a position to take.... I'm sorry thats just fuckin ludicrous.

 

[Acquired Taste]

I love how all the Rittenhouse apologists/fan boys are in here flouting all the lawlessness and illegality going on during the riot as an excuse for his actions, yet not a single one, in multiple posts where I mentioned Rittenhouse himself, in the act of carrying the firearm at the center of this whole discussion, was breaking state and federal laws by doing so is acknowledging his own illegal actions like he's some kind of hero. I just don't get it.

Like so what MikeKilo , breaking a window is a death sentence at the hands of a vigilante, no trial, no jury, boom property crime=dead, but illegally possessing a firearm, which was illegally purchased, in an act of vigilantism not sanctioned by any body of authority or any property owner is peak law and order? What a fuckin joke of a position to take.... I'm sorry thats just fuckin ludicrous.

ZeroHedge

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Doesn't sound like he illegally possessed it to me, but that would negate your favorite talking point.

 

[Mike Kilo]

I love how all the Rittenhouse apologists/fan boys are in here flouting all the lawlessness and illegality going on during the riot as an excuse for his actions, yet not a single one, in multiple posts where I mentioned Rittenhouse himself, in the act of carrying the firearm at the center of this whole discussion, was breaking state and federal laws by doing so is acknowledging his own illegal actions like he's some kind of hero. I just don't get it.

Like so what MikeKilo , breaking a window is a death sentence at the hands of a vigilante, no trial, no jury, boom property crime=dead, but illegally possessing a firearm, which was illegally purchased, in an act of vigilantism not sanctioned by any body of authority or any property owner is peak law and order? What a fuckin joke of a position to take.... I'm sorry thats just fuckin ludicrous.

Nope. I said it myself or family are threatened. Not my PS5. And my Xbox, please take it. That shit sucks.

At the same time, do you feel we should have zero right to protect what we have worked our whole lives towards? Nice homes, nice cars, jewelry whatever. So if someone breaks into your house and you say “stop, I am armed!” And they say “calm down guy. I’m just here for a new tv, not to hurt anyone” You will just let them get after it? What if he continues to break in? Just call the cops and hide? Is that what our rights are compared to criminals with unlawful entry, theft and trespassing?

Gonna grab a bat? Put yourself at risk if they have a knife or gun? Risk them taking a blow that gives them brain damage or kills them? You’re dream scenario leaves the law abiding citizen with zero ability to do shit. You’d rather defund the poultice and wait for them to show up 15 minutes after picking up a health professional.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

ZeroHedge

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Doesn't sound like he illegally possessed it to me, but that would negate your favorite talking point.

You got a source on that cutting edge legal opinion aside from zero hedge? Because I took literally 3 seconds to google the referenced law Wisconsin 29.304 and it's narrowly and specifically talking about minors using firearms for sporting purposes, and similar laws exist in almost, if not every state in the US.

Last I checked those antifa hunting tag decals you buy for your truck at the gun show aren't real my dude, unless you are saying his intent was to go blast some molotov cocktail bottles as target practice, I think your news source there needs to do a little more legwork.

Literally every other article I've seen on this, and and testimony provided in court says it was purchased for him, by his friend, because he wasn't legally old enough to purchase it himself (that's what we call a straw purchase, and it's a federal crime, and his friend is being charged with a crime for that as well). So yes, carrying and possessing an illegally purchased firearm is in and and of itself also a crime, add in he was a minor, and throw a little spiciness on there with the ya know.... vigilante justice and tell me again how he's a shining example for law and order America.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Nope. I said it myself or family are threatened. Not my PS5. And my Xbox, please take it. That shit sucks.

At the same time, do you feel we should have zero right to protect what we have worked our whole lives towards?

I absolutely and 100 percent agree you have a right to defend your home, and yourself, your loved ones, or any other life. That's not what we are talking about here because that's not at all what he was doing.

It wasn't his home. It wasn't even in his hometown.

it wasn't his property even, or that of anyone he knew, and no ones life was in danger until he showed up, just somebody else's used cars.

His life never would have been in danger had he not decided he wanted to go LARP as a big bad sheepdog for a night.

Nice homes, nice cars, jewelry whatever. So if someone breaks into your house and you say “stop, I am armed!” And they say “calm down guy. I’m just here for a new tv, not to hurt anyone” You will just let them get after it?

Honestly, the Floorplan of my home necessitates going to the main living area to make sure my family is safe, so no, probably not gonna shake out like that.

What if he continues to break in?

He ded yo.

Just call the cops and hide?

Well I'm certainly calling at some point. But I'm betting we are in agreeance in the meantime my safety and my family's safety is my responsibility.

Is that what our rights are compared to criminals with unlawful entry and trespassing?

No see, they don't have the right. That's why there's laws against it. I expect you law and order guys to understand that.

Gonna grab a bat? Put yourself at risk if they have a knife or gun? Risk them taking a blow that gives them brain damage or kills them? You’re dream scenario leaves the law abiding citizen with zero ability to do shit. You’d rather defund the poultice and wait for them to show up 15 minutes after picking up a health professional.

Where's strawman guy at when I need him? I am a big time gun owner. I carry on occasion. I shoot as often as I can with these wild ass ammo prices. Hell I'm looking at getting in the NFA game at some point in the near future. I'm not saying any of that. I'm just saying there's a difference between that scenario and actively going and looking for trouble.

 

[32andBelow]

Nope. I said it myself or family are threatened. Not my PS5. And my Xbox, please take it. That shit sucks.

At the same time, do you feel we should have zero right to protect what we have worked our whole lives towards? Nice homes, nice cars, jewelry whatever. So if someone breaks into your house and you say “stop, I am armed!” And they say “calm down guy. I’m just here for a new tv, not to hurt anyone” You will just let them get after it? What if he continues to break in? Just call the cops and hide? Is that what our rights are compared to criminals with unlawful entry, theft and trespassing?

Gonna grab a bat? Put yourself at risk if they have a knife or gun? Risk them taking a blow that gives them brain damage or kills them? You’re dream scenario leaves the law abiding citizen with zero ability to do shit. You’d rather defund the poultice and wait for them to show up 15 minutes after picking up a health professional.

Nah people are saying don’t go seek out riots and larp around them like your the police

 

[Uglytaco]

I love how all the Rittenhouse apologists/fan boys are in here flouting all the lawlessness and illegality going on during the riot as an excuse for his actions, yet not a single one, in multiple posts where I mentioned Rittenhouse himself, in the act of carrying the firearm at the center of this whole discussion, was breaking state and federal laws by doing so is acknowledging his own illegal actions like he's some kind of hero. I just don't get it.

Like so what MikeKilo , breaking a window is a death sentence at the hands of a vigilante, no trial, no jury, boom property crime=dead, but illegally possessing a firearm, which was illegally purchased, in an act of vigilantism not sanctioned by any body of authority or any property owner is peak law and order? What a fuckin joke of a position to take.... I'm sorry thats just fuckin ludicrous.

It was illegal for Rosenbaum to be around minors
It was illegal for them to be rioting/burning things
It was illegal for Gaige to carry a concealed gun (with an expired concealed license which he admitted to in court)
?

I absolutely and 100 percent agree you have a right to defend your home, and yourself, your loved ones, or any other life. That's not what we are talking about here because that's not at all what he was doing.

It wasn't his home. It wasn't even in his hometown.

it wasn't his property even, or that of anyone he knew, and no ones life was in danger until he showed up, just somebody else's used cars.

His life never would have been in danger had he not decided he wanted to go LARP as a big bad sheepdog for a night.

Honestly, the Floorplan of my home necessitates going to the main living area to make sure my family is safe, so no, probably not gonna shake out like that.


He ded yo.


Well I'm certainly calling at some point. But I'm betting we are in agreeance in the meantime my safety and my family's safety is my responsibility.


No see, they don't have the right. That's why there's laws against it. I expect you law and order guys to understand that.


Where's strawman guy at when I need him? I am a big time gun owner. I carry on occasion. I shoot as often as I can with these wild ass ammo prices. Hell I'm looking at getting in the NFA game at some point in the near future. I'm not saying any of that. I'm just saying there's a difference between that scenario and actively going and looking for trouble.

You fail to understand. He tried to get away from pedo, then pedo told him “if I see you alone I will kill you” then pedo chased him and tried to grab his rifle and pedo got shot.

You fail to understand it wasn’t until his life was directly (deadly) threatened (skateboard to the head + glock pointed at him) that he used deadly force and shot them. Kyle did this to protect his own life.