Shoot The Breeze 3.0

[32andBelow]

Don’t you understand this is his safe space he gets bullied on reddit

Everyone that disagrees is an echo chamber

 

[AB19]

Everyone that disagrees is an echo chamber

Safe space

 

[32andBelow]

Safe space

Like r/conservative which makes every thread flared members only

 

[Robert_Boucher]

I can only imagine this is y'all after arguing about covid everyday on .65

 

[Uglytaco]

Everyone that disagrees is an echo chamber

I disagree with you. We are in this echo chamber together✊?

 

[MikeSierra]

I disagree with you. We are in this echo chamber together✊?

In solidarity.

 

[Uglytaco]

In solidarity.

Don’t get me started on the
Bang
Local
Milfs movement

 

[Homsar]

As to my stance on the current state of things, thought I already made that clear. Hoping for a declaration of pandemic ending in the next couple months.
We shouldn't be far behind UK ending masks and vaccination cards across the board.

People kept saying "this isn't about health it's about control." Ending/not ending restrictions when the pandemic ends is, as I see it, the bar in which to judge whether that's true.

Well, we’re pretty much been there. The sCiEnCe is there about cloth masks and vaccine effectiveness to prevent transmission and infection, etc, but we haven’t seen removal of mandates on either of those in the US in many/most cases. Looks like the control crowd was right.

 

[novelist1985]

Well, we’re pretty much been there. The sCiEnCe is there about cloth masks and vaccine effectiveness to prevent transmission and infection, etc, but we haven’t seen removal of mandates on either of those in the US in many/most cases. Looks like the control crowd was right.

What rock are you under? Many states have barely cusped the peak of cases and you think we're there? Really?

Regarding masks, clearly you're getting your science information from places that give you sCiEnce InForMatiOn (guess that's why you type it like that). Masks reduce transmission. End of story.
Cloth masks don't do as good a job of it as surgical masks/N95... No $hit.

We've seen removal of local masks mandates before, I fully expect them to go away again.
As to federal mandates on public transportation, I'm not as optimistic. International air travel mandates will be the toughest cookie to Crack, IMO.

Vaccine mandates should go away sooner than later, though. We're really just a couple weeks removed from the data that it's worthless against Omnicron transmission.

 

[Homsar]

What rock are you under? Many states have barely cusped the peak of cases and you think we're there? Really?

Seeing as we have an effective vaccine that does a great job preventing hospitalization that is available to virtually all that want it, and we can’t do much to reduce the spread any longer since the promise of vaccines doing it was a lie and mask effectiveness is waning, yeah, we’re there.

Regarding masks, clearly you're getting your science information from places that give you sCiEnce InForMatiOn (guess that's why you type it like that). Masks reduce transmission. End of story.
Cloth masks don't do as good a job of it as surgical masks/N95... No $hit.

I guess a CNN “medical analyst” qualifies as that.

"Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There's no place for them in light of Omicron," said CNN Medical Analyst Dr. Leana Wen, an emergency physician and visiting professor of health policy and management at the George Washington University Milken Institute School of Public Health, on CNN Newsroom Tuesday.

"This is what scientists and public health officials have been saying for months, many months, in fact," Wen added in a separate phone interview.

"We need to be wearing at least a three-ply surgical mask," she said, which is also known as a disposable mask and can be found at most drugstores and some grocery and retail stores. "You can wear a cloth mask on top of that, but do not just wear a cloth mask alone."

We've seen removal of local masks mandates before, I fully expect them to go away again.

I think it’s a travesty that mandates that went away came back. I’m glad to be in state that forbade them from returning absent a significant worse change in the virulence of the thing.

As to federal mandates on public transportation, I'm not as optimistic. International air travel mandates will be the toughest cookie to Crack, IMO.

Airlines should be free to require them, but governments forcing them to is ridiculous. I did love this exchange that happened a few months ago.

"I think the case is very strong that masks don't add much, if anything, in the air cabin environment. It is very safe and very high quality compared to any other indoor setting," said Kelly.

Both Kelly and Parker, who each have announced plans to retire as CEOs in the coming months, mentioned that high-grade HEPA air filters on planes capture virtually all airborne contamination and air quality is helped by how frequently cabin air is exchanged with fresh air from outside the cabin.

"I concur. An aircraft is the safest place you can be," said Parker. "It's true of all of our aircraft — they all have the same HEPA filters and air flow."

Vaccine mandates should go away sooner than later, though. We're really just a couple weeks removed from the data that it's worthless against Omnicron transmission.

Yup, we can agree there.

 

[novelist1985]

Seeing as we have an effective vaccine that does a great job preventing hospitalization that is available to virtually all that want it,

Problem being that because of higher transmissibility with Omicron, more people ended up being in the hospital anyways.
Example scenario: Covid is able to spread to 100 people, and 20 of them end up hospitalized because of severity.
Omicron is able to spread easier, so infects 500 people, but because of vaccines and nature of the variant itself, 30 people are hospitalized. Much lower percentile, but higher overall.
Cases have been peaking in the last week and your implication seems to be that the pandemic is over.

Personally, once most states have seen that dropoff in cases, deaths, hospitalizations (likely 1-2 months from now), that would be the time to say it's over. I say we make that day a federal holiday.

I guess a CNN “medical analyst” qualifies as that.

First, the guy basically was saying the same thing I was "Masks reduce transmission. End of story.
Cloth masks don't do as good a job of it as surgical masks/N95... No $hit."

As far as his "facial decoration" statement, it's hyperbole to make the case for stronger masks... he's not referencing any actual science here. He shouldn't have said what he did.
Also, the person who edited the article seems to be taking liberties, since the article starts by talking about masks in the face of Omicron, then immediately references a separate interview where the guy says "This is what scientists and public health officials have been saying for months, many months, in fact" - despite the fact that Omicron had barely been around for a month at time of publishing.

But hey, CNN is the place where they openly tell you how to think. Literally their top headline today:

"How to think about Covid vaccine boosters"​

Also, while you seemed to be driving at 'cloth masks are ineffective, so mandates should be removed', the article was more driving at 'cloth masks are ineffective, so people should be wearing surgical/N95s'. Not a strong case to take away mandates.


Here's a couple articles that reference actual science about masks. Albeit the first one I'm sharing pre-dates omicron.

Face masks for COVID pass their largest test yet

A rigorous study finds that surgical masks are highly protective, but cloth masks fall short.

www.nature.com

With masks, one size does not fit all

I’ve spoken to hundreds of COVID-19 experts. Here’s what they say about masks

www.deseret.com

Airlines should be free to require them, but governments forcing them to is ridiculous. I did love this exchange that happened a few months ago.

Either masks on planes are B.S, or their Filtration claims are. How convenient it is for the airlines that their planes are in this weird sweet spot where they are SOOOOO safe that they can fill the plane to the brim with people and not have to take losses. 6 feet--- NAH! But SOMEHOW, despite how they are soooooo safe that it doesn't matter if the person next to you is so big that they're literally touching you throughout the whole flight---- despite all that, you still have to wear a mask.

Forking bogus... A$$.... $hit.

Luckily on most long hauls I fly in lie flat seats, and I can angle myself so they can't see me not wearing a mask. Good portion of others doing the same.

 

[Uglytaco]

Well, we’re pretty much been there. The sCiEnCe is there about cloth masks and vaccine effectiveness to prevent transmission and infection, etc, but we haven’t seen removal of mandates on either of those in the US in many/most cases. Looks like the control crowd was right.

Did you see that England and Denmark removed all restrictions not too long ago?

 

[Smitty]

has anyone else heard of mgmt threatening controllers for having the audacity of being a "close contact" w a snot nosed Covid person at work? IE " reeeeee you signed off in the RIF that you would social distance in the operation, so be careful about saying you were a close contact because that would be illegalz!"

 

[Homsar]

Problem being that because of higher transmissibility with Omicron, more people ended up being in the hospital anyways.
Example scenario: Covid is able to spread to 100 people, and 20 of them end up hospitalized because of severity.
Omicron is able to spread easier, so infects 500 people, but because of vaccines and nature of the variant itself, 30 people are hospitalized. Much lower percentile, but higher overall.
Cases have been peaking in the last week and your implication seems to be that the pandemic is over.

Sounds like you should be getting the jab if you have comorbidities to protect yourself, because it's become a personal choice that has little to do with transmission. We shouldn't endure a shutdown/restrictions every time a new variant emerges until big pharma comes out with the newest flavor of jab to keep you out of the hospital. "15 days to stop the spread" was how we started, because we thought we could stop the spread. It's plain as day that we can't do that. Time to enter the endemic phase as so many other countries have and preach personal choices.

First, the guy basically was saying the same thing I was "Masks reduce transmission. End of story.
Cloth masks don't do as good a job of it as surgical masks/N95... No $hit."

As far as his "facial decoration" statement, it's hyperbole to make the case for stronger masks... he's not referencing any actual science here. He shouldn't have said what he did.
Also, the person who edited the article seems to be taking liberties, since the article starts by talking about masks in the face of Omicron, then immediately references a separate interview where the guy says "This is what scientists and public health officials have been saying for months, many months, in fact" - despite the fact that Omicron had barely been around for a month at time of publishing.

But hey, CNN is the place where they openly tell you how to think. Literally their top headline today:

"How to think about Covid vaccine boosters"​

Leana Wen is a woman, not a guy.

Also, while you seemed to be driving at 'cloth masks are ineffective, so mandates should be removed', the article was more driving at 'cloth masks are ineffective, so people should be wearing surgical/N95s'. Not a strong case to take away mandates.

Straw must be on sale again. Restrictions mandating cloth masks are stupid and should be removed, because they don't work. If mask restrictions of different material are proposed, okay, but it's going to be hilarious watching the spin of how we were told for almost two years now that the sCiEnCe showed that cloth masks are effective, when they now suddenly are not.

I really, really hope the landslide elections due to come this fall will cause Congress to start holding people accountable for lies.

 

[32andBelow]

Did you see that England and Denmark removed all restrictions not too long ago?

Places where way more people are vaxxed?

But the US has like no restrictions. So idk what people are even talking about

 

[Smitty]

But the US has like no restrictions. So idk what people are even talking about

has Utah warped ur mind ? Most blue states are locked down tight

 

[32andBelow]

has Utah warped ur mind ? Most blue states are locked down tight

They are? What are you not allowed to do

 

[Homsar]

Places where way more people are vaxxed?

Since it doesn’t stop the spread, who cares? Look at the insane shitshow that is Israel right now.

They are? What are you not allowed to do

I just had to show my vaccine card to dine in a restaurant in Honolulu. Why that’s a requirement with the aforementioned job not stopping the spread is beyond me.

 

[32andBelow]

Since it doesn’t stop the spread, who cares? Look at the insane shitshow that is Israel right now.

I just had to show my vaccine card to dine in a restaurant in Honolulu. Why that’s a requirement with the aforementioned job not stopping the spread is beyond me.

So you can still do everything? Keeps people out of the hospital still. What are you against state rights now?

 

[Uglytaco]

Since it doesn’t stop the spread, who cares? Look at the insane shitshow that is Israel right now.

I just had to show my vaccine card to dine in a restaurant in Honolulu. Why that’s a requirement with the aforementioned job not stopping the spread is beyond me.

“If you don’t like it just create your own restaurant ?”
- Libs, probably

So you can still do everything? Keeps people out of the hospital still. What are you against state rights now?

Mandates aren’t rights…