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sizziano

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How much more difficult is Enroute training over Tower training for Academy Grads?
It will almost certainly be longer (like years longer) but difficulty is subjective and highly dependant on where you go and even what are you work in the center.
 

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It's probably more difficult in the center. But you also get paid like double what low level tower people make.
 

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Somewhat of an off-topic question but

I've read that at usually the well staffed enroute centers you get trained for around 3-4 hours a day. What do you do with the other 4+ hours?
 

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Either study airspace or eat in your car like a little piglet where they can't see you
I'm not a piglet, I'm a hog trotting to the slaughter. I'll stuff my fat face with donuts whenever I like oink oink

But in all seriousness, is that it? Don't you eventually learn the intricacies of it?
 

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I'm not a piglet, I'm a hog trotting to the slaughter. I'll stuff my fat face with donuts whenever I like oink oink

But in all seriousness, is that it? Don't you eventually learn the intricacies of it?
You can monitor the position and try to learn a bit that way. I would actually recommend that a lot. You would be surprised how much you can learn just by watching, especially if you know the controller and they are alright with you asking a question or 2. You also show everyone that you aren’t in a corner watching Netflix all day. Trust me, people notice. They can tell who has been studying and who hasn’t when you get on position and they ask simple questions about the map and pref routes...
 

sizziano

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You can monitor the position and try to learn a bit that way. I would actually recommend that a lot. You would be surprised how much you can learn just by watching, especially if you know the controller and they are alright with you asking a question or 2. You also show everyone that you aren’t in a corner watching Netflix all day. Trust me, people notice. They can tell who has been studying and who hasn’t when you get on position and they ask simple questions about the map and pref routes...

This. Don't be afraid to take actual breaks and disconnect for a bit but keeping your head in the books and monitoring is a great way to get people to like you.
 

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You can monitor the position and try to learn a bit that way. I would actually recommend that a lot. You would be surprised how much you can learn just by watching, especially if you know the controller and they are alright with you asking a question or 2. You also show everyone that you aren’t in a corner watching Netflix all day. Trust me, people notice. They can tell who has been studying and who hasn’t when you get on position and they ask simple questions about the map and pref routes...
There are tons of situations that I never saw during OJT that I saw after certifying that I had a good idea of how to handle/what to say just because I saw someone else do something similar that worked(while monitoring) and it helped set the table for me handling it.

I'm from a tower but I'm guessing it's similar in radar.
 

sizziano

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There are tons of situations that I never saw during OJT that I saw after certifying that I had a good idea of how to handle/what to say just because I saw someone else do something similar that worked(while monitoring) and it helped set the table for me handling it.

I'm from a tower but I'm guessing it's similar in radar.
It's exactly the same for radar maybe even more applicable because of how many different situations that can arise.
 

wrench978

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This. Don't be afraid to take actual breaks and disconnect for a bit but keeping your head in the books and monitoring is a great way to get people to like you.
yeah, and I think trainers will be a little more forgiving if they see you trying when you screw up. it can be frustrating to see someone struggling but they are in the break room playing clash of clans instead of studying.
 

KingPong12

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Somewhat of an off-topic question but

I've read that at usually the well staffed enroute centers you get trained for around 3-4 hours a day. What do you do with the other 4+ hours?
Between a couple of 30 minute breaks, lunch, and debrief sessions that’s where the other 4 hours goes.
 

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You can monitor the position and try to learn a bit that way. I would actually recommend that a lot. You would be surprised how much you can learn just by watching, especially if you know the controller and they are alright with you asking a question or 2. You also show everyone that you aren’t in a corner watching Netflix all day. Trust me, people notice. They can tell who has been studying and who hasn’t when you get on position and they ask simple questions about the map and pref routes...
This. Don't be afraid to take actual breaks and disconnect for a bit but keeping your head in the books and monitoring is a great way to get people to like you.

Great advice, thanks guys!
 
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