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Just curious does anyone personally know a non union member that has transferred via ncept without any issues.
Yes actually. No issues and the person is working at the new facility. Low level to low level. Not the only guy trying to move out of where he was either, it was as nomal as every other ncept transfer I’ve witnessed.
 
Just curious does anyone personally know a non union member that has transferred via ncept without any issues.
I’m a member in good standing and always will be, however I was selected against the local unions desires. FacRep at the facility I applied to had it out for me and told the ATM “NATCA doesn’t like him”. Luckily for me the ATM their own research with past management/FacRep and picked me up.
 
I’m a member in good standing and always will be, however I was selected against the local unions desires. FacRep at the facility I applied to had it out for me and told the ATM “NATCA doesn’t like him”. Luckily for me the ATM their own research with past management/FacRep and picked me up.
Wow. Shocking
 
The FAA is in the business of keeping air traffic safe. Someone who wants to work as a controller but doesn't want to keep planes three miles apart... won't be allowed to have that job.
I have seen more than a few controllers who couldn’t/wouldn’t keep planes 3/5 miles apart and the FAA kept them employed. Usually as a supervisor or flow control or staff job or union “detail”.
 
Iand the FAA kept them employed. Usually as a supervisor or flow control or staff job or union “detail”.
Exactly my point, they weren't allowed to keep being a controller but they found other jobs in the FAA. Just like an objector being offered non-combatant jobs in the military.
 
Exactly my point, they weren't allowed to keep being a controller but they found other jobs in the FAA. Just like an objector being offered non-combatant jobs in the military.
I was mostly joking but if you want to talk seriously, I have seen a handful of seriously dangerous controllers keep their jobs on the boards and management lets it continue. For the life of me I don’t know how they keep their ticket. I know of one controller back in the day who had a fatality that they caused and they were shuffled to another facility within the week.
 
The military is in the business of killing people. Someone who wants to serve in the military but doesn't want to kill people can apply for CO status and be kept away from "Here's a gun, go kill people" duty. That has nothing to do with whether or not they get vaccinated.

The FAA is in the business of keeping air traffic safe. Someone who wants to work as a controller but doesn't want to keep planes three miles apart... won't be allowed to have that job. If they want to work for the FAA they can apply for an HR position or something. But that also has nothing to do with whether or not they get vaccinated.

Your question makes no sense at all.
And thus through dialogue....I realized my fallacy. Great point and thanks!

Exactly my point, they weren't allowed to keep being a controller but they found other jobs in the FAA. Just like an objector being offered non-combatant jobs in the military.
So on that note...you would say that the vaccine mandate is a public health concern that supersedes the CO or those who can't separate traffic? For instance, you can be a CO in the military but refuse the VAX and get the boot or you can't separate traffic..get a HR position, but say no to VAX and get the boot.
 
Are you trying to say that Hollywood is full of liberals who don’t follow any of the things they preach, and are always fake woke, and hypocrites of the highest nature while they tell us to reduce our impact on global warming while owning yachts and private jets?
Hollywood, DC, hell I bet most the mask nazis at work go to the bars on the weekend
 
Are you trying to say that Hollywood is full of liberals who don’t follow any of the things they preach, and are always fake woke, and hypocrites of the highest nature while they tell us to reduce our impact on global warming while owning yachts and private r
The rules are just for us little people. Lol
 
Hollywood, DC, hell I bet most the mask nazis at work go to the bars on the weekend.
If there’s anything I can’t stand more than conservatives it’s people who pretend to be left, but do nothing when they have the power to. When you have the money and influence these celebrities and tech owners do, but do nothing to ACTUALLY change anything, then how are you any different than the people you criticize about capitalism, taxes, global warming?

The rules are just for us little people. Lol
It’s a world of haves and have nots
 
If there’s anything I can’t stand more than conservatives it’s people who pretend to be left, but do nothing when they have the power to. When you have the money and influence these celebrities and tech owners do, but do nothing to ACTUALLY change anything, then how are you any different than the people you criticize about capitalism, taxes, global warming?
The ironic thing is that you don't even realize that you are the same as them. You criticize capitalism and global warming, yet are a direct beneficiary of both. You have a high standard of living and the latest smart phone and spotify premium while living in a whole house to yourself all because someone else wanted to make a profit. You literally support the rich assholes everyday flying around in their private jets and GA planes because without them, you'd be out of a job. You should show your commitment to the cause and quit! I'd also love to see your receipt for the public transportation you take to work to do your part in cutting down on carbon emissions. But I'm sure you don't because that's totally different right?
 
If there’s anything I can’t stand more than conservatives it’s people who pretend to be left, but do nothing when they have the power to. When you have the money and influence these celebrities and tech owners do, but do nothing to ACTUALLY change anything, then how are you any different than the people you criticize about capitalism, taxes, global warming?
Isn’t the point of politics to create unity? “One Nation Under God.”

Therein lies the issue. By saying you “can’t stand” conservatives, you play right into that narrative.

Isn’t the real issue at hand hypocrisy?

Isn’t the real issue the divisive nature of our elected leaders?

Isn’t the real issue the crooked nature of our society?
 
The ironic thing is that you don't even realize that you are the same as them. You criticize capitalism and global warming, yet are a direct beneficiary of both. You have a high standard of living and the latest smart phone and spotify premium while living in a whole house to yourself all because someone else wanted to make a profit. You literally support the rich assholes everyday flying around in their private jets and GA planes because without them, you'd be out of a job. You should show your commitment to the cause and quit! I'd also love to see your receipt for the public transportation you take to work to do your part in cutting down on carbon emissions. But I'm sure you don't because that's totally different right?
People worth millions and influence = some government employee who makes less than 100k. Forgot you can never criticize capitalism while you live in it, we should never strive to fix anything ever! Trust me if I could deny service to rich people I would with hesitation. And totally the public transportation that is dogshit and barely existent here therefore how dare me use a car. If I get to Philly watch me take the train everyday. Sick argument of you live in capitalism therefore you can’t criticize it though!
 
Isn’t the point of politics to create unity? “One Nation Under God.”

Therein lies the issue. By saying you “can’t stand” conservatives, you play right into that narrative.

Isn’t the real issue at hand hypocrisy?

Isn’t the real issue the divisive nature of our elected leaders?

Isn’t the real issue the crooked nature of our society?
One nation under god shouldn’t be a thing, it only became a thing because communism scary. It’s okay for people to have differing opinions. I grew up conservative. I can not stand conservatives and still think they should be allowed to exist. There’s nothing wrong with being conservative in the actual sense of the word
 
One nation under god shouldn’t be a thing, it only became a thing because communism scary. It’s okay for people to have differing opinions. I grew up conservative. I can not stand conservatives and still think they should be allowed to exist. There’s nothing wrong with being conservative in the actual sense of the word
That’s your opinion but that’s is what this country was founded on and also, not the point of my post at all.

I think it’s more fair to say you cannot stand conservative ideology. Saying you cannot stand conservatives, is an attack on the person, not the mindset.

I can be friends with people of liberal mindsets even though I do not agree with their politics.
 
So on that note...you would say that the vaccine mandate is a public health concern that supersedes the CO or those who can't separate traffic? For instance, you can be a CO in the military but refuse the VAX and get the boot or you can't separate traffic..get a HR position, but say no to VAX and get the boot.
I don't think it "supersedes" the conscientious objection, it's a completely different topic altogether. When you talk about "conscientious objection" you're referring to the job itself, not the employment requirements necessary to have the job in the first place. In the case of the military, both a conscientious objector on KP and an infantryman on the front lines are required to get the vaccine or face discharge. In the case of the FAA, both the line controller and the guys at the District are required to get the vaccine or face dismissal.

A more appropriate situation would be a worker at CVS whose job duties require them to administer the vaccine, but that conflicts with their supposedly-deeply held beliefs. CVS as their employer may offer them the opportunity to perform other work or may fire them for refusing to perform their duties. But in either case the question of whether the employee is themselves vaccinated is not the point: being vaccinated is not the thing the employee is "objecting" to (though it may well be a separate condition of employment).

The ironic thing is that you don't even realize that you are the same as them. You criticize capitalism and global warming, yet are a direct beneficiary of both.
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“One Nation Under God.”
Shut the hell up. Unless and until Congress passes a law mandating a state religion (which would violate the first line of the very first amendment to the Constitution) we are not "under God" and you should feel bad for bringing that up (as should the blowhards who added "under God" to the pledge in the 1950s).
 
That’s your opinion but that’s is what this country was founded on and also, not the point of my post at all.
Was the point of your post to ask me what I think the point of politics is? Or saying that I’m a hypocrite for not standing conservatives while saying I can’t stand fake “liberals”

I don't think it "supersedes" the conscientious objection, it's a completely different topic altogether. When you talk about "conscientious objection" you're referring to the job itself, not the employment requirements necessary to have the job in the first place. In the case of the military, both a conscientious objector on KP and an infantryman on the front lines are required to get the vaccine or face discharge. In the case of the FAA, both the line controller and the guys at the District are required to get the vaccine or face dismissal.

A more appropriate situation would be a worker at CVS whose job duties require them to administer the vaccine, but that conflicts with their supposedly-deeply held beliefs. CVS as their employer may offer them the opportunity to perform other work or may fire them for refusing to perform their duties. But in either case the question of whether the employee is themselves vaccinated is not the point: being vaccinated is not the thing the employee is "objecting" to (though it may well be a separate condition of employment).


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Shut the hell up. Unless and until Congress passes a law mandating a state religion (which would violate the first line of the very first amendment to the Constitution) we are not "under God" and you should feel bad for bringing that up (as should the blowhards who added "under God" to the pledge in the 1950s).
Gotcha with the Ben Shapiro logic
 
The ironic thing is that you don't even realize that you are the same as them. You criticize capitalism and global warming, yet are a direct beneficiary of both. You have a high standard of living and the latest smart phone and spotify premium while living in a whole house to yourself all because someone else wanted to make a profit. You literally support the rich assholes everyday flying around in their private jets and GA planes because without them, you'd be out of a job. You should show your commitment to the cause and quit! I'd also love to see your receipt for the public transportation you take to work to do your part in cutting down on carbon emissions. But I'm sure you don't because that's totally different right?
I didn't make the shit river, I'm just floating in it like everyone else and wishing it didn't stink as bad.
 
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