February (Q2) 2023

[Move78]

So dynamic decision on ZJX?

Came from the top

 

[CoffeeIV]

So how many facilities have shit staffing or about to and picked up no one lol.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Came from the top

Congrats

 

[OscarMike931]

I doubt the list that was posted is the final list. If it's right, then there were 9 facilities that gained and released in the same round.

Well you could release at 85% and facilities this quarter were staffed up to 90% so that sounds right. If you are anywhere between 85 and 90 then you got both.

 

[ChuckNovember]

ZJX showing the rest of the NAS that you can get your way if you just bang in enough ?

 

[RB]

list is up on NATCA's website

 

[FightingIrish2012]

It changed by one selection lol, fucking hilarious.

 

[Phanatical]

2 Round 2 selections… wow.

 

[hpwjuicebox]

The majority of academy grads go to Z’s but only 5 out of 100+ selections from Zs. Working as intended.

 

[32andBelow]

The majority of academy grads go to Z’s but only 5 out of 100+ selections from Zs. Working as intended.

Yah the center thing is absolutely absurd idk why more people don’t talk about it

 

[ChuckNovember]

The majority of academy grads go to Z’s but only 5 out of 100+ selections from Zs. Working as intended.

Center controllers make up half the work force and they account for less than 15% of all NCEPT releases since the latest rule changes. That # will trend down to be close to zero after the CRWG numbers come out. ??‍♂️

 

[WavesAndClouds]

Tower only’s release. Our little level 4 tour has released 4 people in the last two ncepts.

 

[abc1234]

Center controllers make up half the work force and they account for less than 15% of all NCEPT releases since the latest rule changes. That # will trend down to be close to zero after the CRWG numbers come out. ??‍♂️

They also account for less than 15% of agency TOP

 

[ChuckNovember]

They also account for less than 15% of agency TOP

How about we let them transfer then?

 

[Move78]

Center controllers make up half the work force and they account for less than 15% of all NCEPT releases since the latest rule changes. That # will trend down to be close to zero after the CRWG numbers come out. ??‍♂️

40% of the workforce. And the release policy hasn’t changed in 4 years. Many Zs are often red because they fill the deviation list and populate OS ranks for the entire NAS.

How about we let them transfer then?

You can blame Tennessee because as soon as they moved to a more liberal release policy everyone at ZME abandoned ship at the same time and the agency panicked.

 

[ChuckNovember]

40% of the workforce. And the release policy hasn’t changed in 4 years. Many Zs are often red because they fill the deviation list and populate OS ranks for the entire NAS.

Per the latest PPT you're right, it's 40% but the point still stands that they're being disproportionately represented in NCEPT. Yes, the rules haven't changed in four years but I'm not sure why that's relevant. The reason I pointed that out is because it wouldn't have been fair of me to be critiquing a system based on rules that are no longer in effect. Whether we want to admit it or not the area staffing is much more relevant to Zs than overall numbers. Look at ZAB; some areas on permanent 6-days while the others are being forced to plug in half of the CPCs on shift to try and hit four hours TOP. Center releases should not be subject to NCEPT if we're too afraid of the implication of making it area by area; leave it up to the Facrep/ATM.

abc was joking but has a point.

 

[abc1234]

How about we let them transfer then?

Then they wouldn't be able to justify all the OT!

 

[arHuFf69]

Yep, I got congrats message in slack on getting selected.. then 2 minutes later told that the list was unofficial and not supposed to be released yet. I'm sweating like a hog.

Pigs don’t sweat

 

[RB]

Pigs don’t sweat

huh... learn something new everyday I guess.

 

[Move78]

Per the latest PPT you're right, it's 40% but the point still stands that they're being disproportionately represented in NCEPT. Yes, the rules haven't changed in four years but I'm not sure why that's relevant. The reason I pointed that out is because it wouldn't have been fair of me to be critiquing a system based on rules that are no longer in effect. Whether we want to admit it or not the area staffing is much more relevant to Zs than overall numbers. Look at ZAB; some areas on permanent 6-days while the others are being forced to plug in half of the CPCs on shift to try and hit four hours TOP. Center releases should not be subject to NCEPT if we're too afraid of the implication of making it area by area; leave it up to the Facrep/ATM.

abc was joking but has a point.

You may think you’re getting screwed cuz you’re wearing a Z hat but the tracons have it way worse than you do.