February (Q2) 2023

[32andBelow]

You may think you’re getting screwed cuz you’re wearing a Z hat but the tracons have it way worse than you do.

It’s terrible for both. Idk why people are just chill with this. Any possible person at a Z is getting picked for a sup bid. It’s literally impossible to get green with the amount of sup bids

 

[SharDiNae]

MFD to DFW should buy a lotto ticket

 

[Move78]

It’s terrible for both. Idk why people are just chill with this. Any possible person at a Z is getting picked for a sup bid. It’s literally impossible to get green with the amount of sup bids

Some Zs actually want the release policy to be more conservative because they lose too many.

 

[smmy]

Any swaps?

 

[CaptainObvious]

Some Zs actually want the release policy to be more conservative because they lose too many.

Perhaps instead they should tamp down on pulling every body they can to management

 

[twn]

What does the NAS need? More supes or more controllers?

 

[ajmezz]

Perhaps instead they should tamp down on pulling every body they can to management

I overheard the beginning of a management telcon about a month ago and the guy speaking said they were down around 400 management spots across the board, so I wouldn’t count on that happening anytime soon.

 

[GroundClutter]

When the only way out of a Z is to cross the shit bridge to management what do you expect.

 

[kombucha23]

Supes can(‘t) control. Controllers can’t supe. So they’d rather have the people doing both tasks poorly than one not being done at all.

 

[Morgan_Freeman_But_Not]

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[twn]

When the only way out of a Z is to cross the shit bridge to management what do you expect.

Sure seems that way doesn't it

 

[CaptainObvious]

How long for the ranking list FOIA

 

[ChuckNovember]

You may think you’re getting screwed cuz you’re wearing a Z hat but the tracons have it way worse than you do.

We don’t send OKC to TRACONs, do we?

 

[Move78]

We don’t send OKC to TRACONs, do we?

They stopped it around 2016 because they deemed it not cost effective due to wash rates

 

[Mr.Tickles]

Our local estimated my Z being eligible to release in 3 to 4 years about 2 months ago. The past few weeks alone we’ve had 8 trainees wash/withdraw. Additionally the union is hoping our staffing numbers increase by 10.

I’ve accepted that to get remotely close to where I want to be and back to family I’m gonna have to go the sup route. Sucks but it is what it is.

 

[32andBelow]

Our local estimated my Z being eligible to release in 3 to 4 years about 2 months ago. The past few weeks alone we’ve had 8 trainees wash/withdraw. Additionally the union is hoping our staffing numbers increase by 10.

I’ve accepted that to get remotely close to where I want to be and back to family I’m gonna have to go the sup route. Sucks but it is what it is.

They won’t cus people will keep getting out on sup bids. They really need to allow center swaps. CPC IT training at a center is usually pretty fast

 

[ChuckNovember]

Some Zs actually want the release policy to be more conservative because they lose too many.

Then they legitimately need to change their number. CRWG should fix that.

They stopped it around 2016 because they deemed it not cost effective due to wash rates

Correct. There is a much, much smaller population of people who were subject to the current placement process who are stuck in TRACONs (2012-2016) that being said I don’t want to get into the screwed by NCEPT Olympics I just want the people at the top to acknowledge it’s flawed.

 

[Phanatical]

If they really wanted to prioritize career progression, this is what the rules should be:

Round 1:

• Releasing facility must be a Level 4 through Level 7
• Releasing facility must be at or above 85% current % CPC to Target and at or above 85% Projected % to Target
• Releases stop when the releasing facility drops below 85% Current or Projected % to Target
• Gaining facility must be Level 9 or lower
• Gaining facility may select up to 100% Projected % to Target
• Order of gaining facilities determined by decision lens tool

Round 2:

• Releasing facility must be a Level 8 or higher
• Releasing facility must be at or above 85% current % CPC to Target and at or above 85% Projected % to Target
• Releases stop when the releasing facility drops below 85% Current or Projected % to Target
• Gaining facility must be below 90% Projected % to Target
• Gaining facility may select up to 100% projected % to target (max 5 selections per facility)
• Order of gaining facilities will be determined by decision lens tool

(Edit: “Level 9 or lower”)

 

[Mr.Tickles]

They won’t cus people will keep getting out on sup bids. They really need to allow center swaps. CPC IT training at a center is usually pretty fast

You’re absolutely correct. That would help exponentially. Not to mention releases should be done by area and not facility as a whole.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

We don’t send OKC to TRACONs, do we?

Not anymore. We just let tracons selected lever 4 and 5 VFR tower controllers via NCEPT then after the tracpn waits six to 12 months to get their new CPC-IT they wait another four to six months for them to get an OKC class date and go down there and come back....