Save Pay FAA to DOD

[GulfCharlie]

They are trying to do what he said to me. I was under the impression it was a basic pay + SSR, DoA is saying I was hired under reinstatement to the DOD even if im coming from the FAA

Yeah, tell them to get bent, you do not lose pay. Obviously remain professional, I would cite you some OPM regulations but I am at work :/

 

[meanjoe]

Oof, yeah DoN tried this one me first and I threw an absolute fit and they fixed it.

Yeah, tell them to get bent, you do not lose pay. Obviously remain professional, I would cite you some OPM regulations but I am at work :/

OPM site: HPR is highest previous rate. MPR is Maximum Payable Rate. Happy reading. My head hurts.

"When HPR is based on a rate under a non-GS pay system:

When a GS employee's HPR is based on a non-GS rate, determine the MPR as follows:

Step A: Compare the highest previous rate to the highest applicable rate range (including a locality rate or special rate range) in effect at the time and place where the highest previous rate was earned. The highest applicable rate range is determined as if the employee held the current GS position of record (including the grade in which pay is being set) at that time and place.

Step B: Identify the lowest step rate in that range that was equal to or higher than the highest previous rate (or the step 10 rate if the highest previous rate exceeded the range maximum).

Step C: Convert the step rate identified in step B to a corresponding rate (same step) on the current highest applicable rate range for the employee's current GS position of record and official worksite. That step rate is the employee's maximum payable rate of basic pay.

Step D: After setting the employee's rate of basic pay in the current highest applicable rate range (not to exceed the MPR identified in step C), determine any underlying rate of basic pay to which the employee is entitled at the determined step rate."

 

[GulfCharlie]

OPM site: HPR is highest previous rate. MPR is Maximum Payable Rate. Happy reading. My head hurts.

"When HPR is based on a rate under a non-GS pay system:

When a GS employee's HPR is based on a non-GS rate, determine the MPR as follows:

Step A: Compare the highest previous rate to the highest applicable rate range (including a locality rate or special rate range) in effect at the time and place where the highest previous rate was earned. The highest applicable rate range is determined as if the employee held the current GS position of record (including the grade in which pay is being set) at that time and place.

Step B: Identify the lowest step rate in that range that was equal to or higher than the highest previous rate (or the step 10 rate if the highest previous rate exceeded the range maximum).

Step C: Convert the step rate identified in step B to a corresponding rate (same step) on the current highest applicable rate range for the employee's current GS position of record and official worksite. That step rate is the employee's maximum payable rate of basic pay.

Step D: After setting the employee's rate of basic pay in the current highest applicable rate range (not to exceed the MPR identified in step C), determine any underlying rate of basic pay to which the employee is entitled at the determined step rate."

Yeah, I mean I’m going back like 3-ish years at this point, it made my head hurt as well but they fixed it. Everything is a fight with HR period ugh…

 

[DELTAxxKILO]

Yeah, I mean I’m going back like 3-ish years at this point, it made my head hurt as well but they fixed it. Everything is a fight with HR period ugh…

Air Force seems to be the only branch that follows OPM guidance and doesn't make their own rules for no apparent reason

 

[GulfCharlie]

Air Force seems to be the only branch that follows OPM guidance and doesn't make their own rules for no apparent reason

USAF also does not hire from the bottom of the proverbial barrel either.

 

[meanjoe]

Yeah, I mean I’m going back like 3-ish years at this point, it made my head hurt as well but they fixed it. Everything is a fight with HR period ugh…

The way I'm reading this they set my pay correctly. Basic pay includes locality and/or SSR. They compared my Basic (with locality) FAA pay to the current 0565 SSR table. I was between step 6 and step 7. They set my pay at step 7. I said it cost me 2 steps(3 actually) because had they taken away my locality and added SSR, the reverse of what the FAA does when you transfer in from DOD, I would have been a step 10. The result was still a raise, but only slight.

 

[DELTAxxKILO]

The way I'm reading this they set my pay correctly. Basic pay includes locality and/or SSR. They compared my Basic (with locality) FAA pay to the current 0565 SSR table. I was between step 6 and step 7. They set my pay at step 7. I said it cost me 2 steps(3 actually) because had they taken away my locality and added SSR, the reverse of what the FAA does when you transfer in from DOD, I would have been a step 10. The result was still a raise, but only slight.

This must be army or navy, we've had multiple faa controllers come to my last air force location and get their basic pay (without locality) saved, then added ssr to make step 10

 

[onGuard]

The way I'm reading this they set my pay correctly. Basic pay includes locality and/or SSR. They compared my Basic (with locality) FAA pay to the current 0565 SSR table. I was between step 6 and step 7. They set my pay at step 7. I said it cost me 2 steps(3 actually) because had they taken away my locality and added SSR, the reverse of what the FAA does when you transfer in from DOD, I would have been a step 10. The result was still a raise, but only slight.

I thought basic pay was pay WITHOUT locality and SSR?

 

[ajmezz]

I just looked at an old fol and fwiw it says:
base pay $xxx locality $xxx adjusted pay $xxx (the base plus locality).

 

[GulfCharlie]

I just looked at an old fol and fwiw it says:
base pay $xxx locality $xxx adjusted pay $xxx (the base plus locality).

How about you call back into the NCR buddy?

 

[ajmezz]

How about you call back into the NCR buddy?

You won’t like what I say next time.. 🙃

 

[meanjoe]

I thought basic pay was pay WITHOUT locality and SSR?

Base vs Basic I think.
OPM Website:

Basic Pay​

Basic Pay is defined as the rate fixed by applicable law or regulation.

Examples of special types of pay included in Basic Pay are:

• Night differential pay for wage employees
• Environmental differential pay for employees who work under hazardous situations.
• Premium pay for groups such as law enforcement officers
• Locality-based comparability payments.

Basic pay does not include other types of pay such as: bonuses, allowances, overtime, holiday, and military pay or supplemental payments from the Office of Workers' Compensation Programs (OWCP).

See your Human Resources office if you are not sure what your Basic Pay is.

 

[DELTAxxKILO]

The way I'm reading this they set my pay correctly. Basic pay includes locality and/or SSR. They compared my Basic (with locality) FAA pay to the current 0565 SSR table. I was between step 6 and step 7. They set my pay at step 7. I said it cost me 2 steps(3 actually) because had they taken away my locality and added SSR, the reverse of what the FAA does when you transfer in from DOD, I would have been a step 10. The result was still a raise, but only slight.

I wonder what happens if the SSR changes to 40% before your start date, we just had a guy show up to my facility in germany coming from a GS-12 in the states, to a GS-11 here. His FOL was for GS11 step 9 since he was a GS-12 step 2 at the time they sent the offer. He accepted it, and showed up here 2 months later, BUT, in between accepting the FOL and arriving here he made GS-12 step 3. When he showed up and got his SF-50, it was for GS-11 step 10, even though the FOL he accepted was for step 9.

So what I'm saying is, would they try and screw you and give you GS-11 step 5, $94,118 with the 40% SSR, or would the FOL stated step 7 be used regardless of the pay jumping to $99,653??

 

[meanjoe]

I wonder what happens if the SSR changes to 40% before your start date, we just had a guy show up to my facility in germany coming from a GS-12 in the states, to a GS-11 here. His FOL was for GS11 step 9 since he was a GS-12 step 2 at the time they sent the offer. He accepted it, and showed up here 2 months later, BUT, in between accepting the FOL and arriving here he made GS-12 step 3. When he showed up and got his SF-50, it was for GS-11 step 10, even though the FOL he accepted was for step 9.

So what I'm saying is, would they try and screw you and give you GS-11 step 5, $94,118 with the 40% SSR, or would the FOL stated step 7 be used regardless of the pay jumping to $99,653??

I think that it doesn't matter. They should be using the GS to GS equivalent. In other words GS 12 step 2 always equals gs 11 step 5 then add SSR. If he's on the 30% scale now he likely lost 5% unless he went to OberD.

 

[DELTAxxKILO]

I think that it doesn't matter. They should be using the GS to GS equivalent. In other words GS 12 step 2 always equals gs 11 step 5 then add SSR. If he's on the 30% scale now he likely lost 5% unless he went to OberD.

the guy I was mentioning is FAA going to DoD

 

[onGuard]

I wonder what happens if the SSR changes to 40% before your start date, we just had a guy show up to my facility in germany coming from a GS-12 in the states, to a GS-11 here. His FOL was for GS11 step 9 since he was a GS-12 step 2 at the time they sent the offer. He accepted it, and showed up here 2 months later, BUT, in between accepting the FOL and arriving here he made GS-12 step 3. When he showed up and got his SF-50, it was for GS-11 step 10, even though the FOL he accepted was for step 9.

So what I'm saying is, would they try and screw you and give you GS-11 step 5, $94,118 with the 40% SSR, or would the FOL stated step 7 be used regardless of the pay jumping to $99,653??

It seems they are treating me as a reinstatement to service and just moving my pay laterally. The pay includes the SSR, which removing it is less than my FAA basic pay. Im confused.

 

[SolicitSVFR]

It seems they are treating me as a reinstatement to service and just moving my pay laterally. The pay includes the SSR, which removing it is less than my FAA basic pay. Im confused.

I’d turn down the job. Play hard ball. They need to keep your base pay the same THEN add SSR. Ex you base pay (no locality) is 75k. They should keep your base pay of 75k then add SSR. If they try to lateral you over with base pay and SSR equaling 75k you’ll take a major pay cut if you ever transfer out of there

 

[MJ]

SSR is a replacement for locality pay. Transfers are always sans locality pay, because locality pay is dependent on... the locality :|

 

[onGuard]

I’d turn down the job. Play hard ball. They need to keep your base pay the same THEN add SSR. Ex you base pay (no locality) is 75k. They should keep your base pay of 75k then add SSR. If they try to lateral you over with base pay and SSR equaling 75k you’ll take a major pay cut if you ever transfer out of there

I asked him why my basic pay was lower than what i was making in the FAA when you take the SSR out. Its been a week.

 

[SolicitSVFR]

I asked him why my basic pay was lower than what i was making in the FAA when you take the SSR out. It’s been a week.

$73500 is their base pay without SSR. $73500 (base) X 1.3 (SSR) = $95500. If your base pay without locality is higher than 73500 I’d definitely argue for them to match whatever you’re making