Actual Pay Increase

[FlightOfTheShortGuy]

Can someone explain the fed pay cap to me? I understand we are currently subject to it but if you go to USAjobs there are physician jobs well over 250k and 300k. Why are they not at pay cap but we are? Also would it be that difficult to get on whatever pay parameters they are on and off of our fed pay cap?

 

[blarg]

Can someone explain the fed pay cap to me? I understand we are currently subject to it but if you go to USAjobs there are physician jobs well over 250k and 300k. Why are they not at pay cap but we are? Also would it be that difficult to get on whatever pay parameters they are on and off of our fed pay cap?

49 U.S. Code § 40122 - Federal Aviation Administration personnel management system

www.law.cornell.edu

(c)Pay Restriction.—
No officer or employee of the Administration may receive an annual rate of basic pay in excess of the annual rate of basic pay payable to the Administrator.

Basic pay here is your total salary/base pay (not like what we normally think of as basic + locality = salary or base pay).
The administrator's salary does not have a locality rate, so it only goes up with the basic federal increase each year not including locality rates. So everyone's pay bands get closer and closer to the cap every year we have a raise that includes locality.

 

[rhombus]

Can someone explain the fed pay cap to me? I understand we are currently subject to it but if you go to USAjobs there are physician jobs well over 250k and 300k. Why are they not at pay cap but we are? Also would it be that difficult to get on whatever pay parameters they are on and off of our fed pay cap?

Physicians, Dentists, and Podiatrists are covered under their own law.

38 U.S. Code § 7431 - Pay

www.law.cornell.edu

They can make up to the President’s salary, currently $400,000, with some exceptions

 

[wrench978]

You also all agreed to move anywhere in the continuous states when you signed up.. soooo…..

That’s what I THOUGHT I was signing up for… until they handed my class 4 mandatory ZSU’s…

 

[SquawkHijack]

There should be a system in place that gives you a raise if you been shafted (with no hawk tuah, just rammed bone dry) by NCEPT.
Truly is unfair to be terminally stuck for your whole
Career in some place you don’t want to be at

Would agree, there are academy grads going straight to Z’s (and now level 8’s) and can afford to max out their TSP almost their entire career. You’d be very hard pressed at all the 4’s & 5’s to do that.

 

[PooseMaGoose]

That’s what I THOUGHT I was signing up for… until they handed my class 4 mandatory ZSU’s…

Hope you like plantanos.

 

[Nothanks]

There should be a system in place that gives you a raise if you been shafted (with no hawk tuah, just rammed bone dry) by NCEPT.
Truly is unfair to be terminally stuck for your whole
Career in some place you don’t want to be at

You said your facility releases too many people ?

 

[Spoony90]

You said your facility releases too many people ?

No. My facility has not released anyone since NCEPT began.

 

[Nothanks]

No. My facility has not released anyone since NCEPT began.

Ah ok. Shitty situation to be in.

 

[Whiskey Charlie]

That’s what I THOUGHT I was signing up for… until they handed my class 4 mandatory ZSU’s…

Yeah that’s messed up. Local hiring, temp assignments like Guam, other things come to mind for somewhere like that.

 

[wrench978]

Yeah that’s messed up. Local hiring, temp assignments like Guam, other things come to mind for somewhere like that.

The stupid part about it is they dumped 14 trainees in the building and they didn’t need to. There were 5 or 6 people who had volunteered to come in the 8 months before I got here. They overwhelmed the training department and the operation with trainees. It was an overreactive move that didn’t help at all.

 

[Tater_Toad]

I’d love OT pay to be calculated in high 3 like most/many state government jobs. If I’m expected to give up so much of my time for mandatory ot I should get compensated for that when I have actual free time.

I'd stop bitching about pay. I would still whine, but I'd stop bitching.

I agree on this point. There are wide gaps on the base-to-top of a facility pay scale and it takes years to get to the top. I think narrowing the time to cap, or raising the floor across all levels is a start. I also think that the dollar amount you are above the base from 1.6 raises should carry over as you move up levels. 10k above the base of a level 7 and you get picked up to a 10? You should go 10k above the base of a level 10. Right now we have “time at facility” raises rather than “time in FAA” raises.

What you're asking for is step increases that the GS scale has. Move from gs8 step 6 to gs9. You get gs9 step 6. I support this.

 

[NovemberOscar]

We are not getting a double digit raise to our basic pay (thats the one without locality, right?), ever. I can't believe how many people think that's possibly going to happen. We'd have a better shot of getting additional premium pay or something.

Is this based on anything or just an opinion? Several other unions in the past 2 years (auto workers, pilots, nurses) all got 15%+ across the board raises with additional incentives

 

[Nothanks]

Is this based on anything or just an opinion? Several other unions in the past 2 years (auto workers, pilots, nurses) all got 15%+ across the board raises with additional incentives

You can’t compare us to private sector. The pay structure is completely different.

If you were to argue against the agency(.gov) you need to present comparable evidence in the federal sector. Stop looking at random private sector stuff. For every private sector raise there is a layoff to pin against it somewhere else. It’s not a good argument


if anything in the private sector is comparable the best one is navcanda. All arguments could at least start with looking at their contract and pay structure,and no one does

 

[NovemberOscar]

You can’t compare us to private sector. The pay structure is completely different.

If you were to argue against the agency(.gov) you need to present comparable evidence in the federal sector. Stop looking at random private sector stuff. For every private sector raise there is a layoff to pin against it somewhere else. It’s not a good argument


if anything in the private sector is comparable the best one is navcanda. All arguments could at least start with looking at their contract and pay structure,and no one does

You have a point, but giving up and saying “we’ll
Never get a double digit pay raise” is bullshit.

 

[Nothanks]

You have a point, but giving up and saying “we’ll
Never get a double digit pay raise” is bullshit.

Maybe that person is giving up. 1 person on an Internet forum doesn’t speak for the greater workforce or union. Don’t listen to noise. You also have to find facts though.

 

[MJ]

You can’t compare us to private sector. The pay structure is completely different.

This is just wrong. Of course you can compare them. Locality pay's entire purpose is to compare and mediate public and private pay.

 

[Nothanks]

This is just wrong. Of course you can compare them. Locality pay's entire purpose is to compare and mediate public and private pay.

There’s a direct comparison people should look at in the private sector. NAVCANADA. Private sector ATC.


The new contract is a three-year agreement effective December 31, 2020, to December 31, 2023, with a total wage increase of over 9%. Some of the new provisions in this contract include:

Faa CONTROLLERS GOT 12% in the same timeframe, with another 6.3% right after that in 2024

• a new on-the-job instruction premium of $8.25/hour; Faa controllers may far more than that now that at 20%
• provisions for double time for all overtime after working 50 hours at time and a half; Faa controllers need this in the new contract
• new language in our collective agreement ensuring telework requests cannot be unreasonably denied; Faa staff support already has this.
• improvements to bereavement and lieu days;
• improvement in parental leave to reflect new legislation.

 

[blarg]

• provisions for double time for all overtime after working 50 hours at time and a half; Faa controllers need this in the new contract

No we don't, that's a pathetic improvement. It needs to be more and it needs to be for all OT.

 

[Nothanks]

No we don't, that's a pathetic improvement. It needs to be more and it needs to be for all OT.

Something along those lines.