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I saw they were doing something, honestly short of going back I cannot remember.
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I stand corrected.
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No. People aren't grandfathered in. You have to graduate after the enhanced cti is approved.
And they won't apply to the prior experience bid anyway. They don't have 52 weeks of experience.
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No, they failed the Academy. They still get a CTO from the Military or Advanced ATC
If they have 52 weeks of experience with a CTO they most definitely can reapply to a prior experience bid and get picked up. They might get denied within the first year after failing the academy but it definitely happens.
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There's some confusion on the two programs. As someone intimate with the programs, here's the lowdown:
CTI: Been around for decades, only a few dozen colleges & universities in the US are FAA approved for this program.
Equipage and curriculum varies greatly from institution to institution; you have podunk community colleges with some tables & older screens, and then big boys with equipment newer than some airports in the NAS; North Dakota even has a CPDLC. The Air Traffic Management programs themselves are held to very similar standards in learning about flight & air traffic. Some institutions, usually the community colleges, offer simple 2-year programs in the field specifically, while larger schools where the aviation school is only one college of many, require students to take a full liberal arts education in addition to the CTI learning, usually earning a B.S. in Aeronautics. Some of the 4-years even require a second course of study; claimedly as a backup incase graduates lose their medicals.
With regards to employment, the degree is essentially useless for ATC-CS positions. It would help if you were applying for anything else like Corp flight ops (Why?). What *is* important is that upon successful completion of a final test upon finishing all of your coursework, a Tower, Approach & Enroute exam proctored by the college, one of the ATC instructors signs a letter to the FAA that you've passed the CTI program. (No, you may not take this test early.) After that, graduates land in Pool 1 on any future hirings, which aren't legally guaranteed. If hired, off to the Academy for possibly as few as 8 weeks if you didn't get a bad case of dementia.
Enhanced CTI: They've only started rolling this stuff out recently, and the institutions adding it on top of CTI need to meet some very stringent requirements to get in.
Equipment list reads like the bill of lading out of a Raytheon factory on the eve of Desert Storm; and the faculty have more experience demanded to be in the program. The schools can qualify for each of the three facility types individually or do multiple. Schools that offer Enhanced place students in a different track on paper, but as far as I can tell they just have more reading & time on the sims required in similar classes. It's still very much in flux and I imgaine that rules will change greatly as they process students through the program and find out what works.
As for employment, the student will pay 4 digits of fees to have FAA employees come out and supervise testing at the end of their road which is supposedly more severe and exacting in its requirements than the regular CTI program's. If it's a pass, then they can skip the academy if they're hired, which is also not legally guaranteed. If it's a no-pass, then the regular reccomendation is still signed and it's off to the Academy for 8 weeks or more.
In my personal opinion, I don't see the point in the Enhanced. Why take the high risk & costs to (maybe) skip a short time of paid pleasantries at the Academy? Then again, the FAA are putting different irons in the fire and will certainly make changes so they can hit the hiring numbers over the next decade. The future will be better tomorrow.
CTI: Been around for decades, only a few dozen colleges & universities in the US are FAA approved for this program.
Equipage and curriculum varies greatly from institution to institution; you have podunk community colleges with some tables & older screens, and then big boys with equipment newer than some airports in the NAS; North Dakota even has a CPDLC. The Air Traffic Management programs themselves are held to very similar standards in learning about flight & air traffic. Some institutions, usually the community colleges, offer simple 2-year programs in the field specifically, while larger schools where the aviation school is only one college of many, require students to take a full liberal arts education in addition to the CTI learning, usually earning a B.S. in Aeronautics. Some of the 4-years even require a second course of study; claimedly as a backup incase graduates lose their medicals.
With regards to employment, the degree is essentially useless for ATC-CS positions. It would help if you were applying for anything else like Corp flight ops (Why?). What *is* important is that upon successful completion of a final test upon finishing all of your coursework, a Tower, Approach & Enroute exam proctored by the college, one of the ATC instructors signs a letter to the FAA that you've passed the CTI program. (No, you may not take this test early.) After that, graduates land in Pool 1 on any future hirings, which aren't legally guaranteed. If hired, off to the Academy for possibly as few as 8 weeks if you didn't get a bad case of dementia.
Enhanced CTI: They've only started rolling this stuff out recently, and the institutions adding it on top of CTI need to meet some very stringent requirements to get in.
Equipment list reads like the bill of lading out of a Raytheon factory on the eve of Desert Storm; and the faculty have more experience demanded to be in the program. The schools can qualify for each of the three facility types individually or do multiple. Schools that offer Enhanced place students in a different track on paper, but as far as I can tell they just have more reading & time on the sims required in similar classes. It's still very much in flux and I imgaine that rules will change greatly as they process students through the program and find out what works.
As for employment, the student will pay 4 digits of fees to have FAA employees come out and supervise testing at the end of their road which is supposedly more severe and exacting in its requirements than the regular CTI program's. If it's a pass, then they can skip the academy if they're hired, which is also not legally guaranteed. If it's a no-pass, then the regular reccomendation is still signed and it's off to the Academy for 8 weeks or more.
In my personal opinion, I don't see the point in the Enhanced. Why take the high risk & costs to (maybe) skip a short time of paid pleasantries at the Academy? Then again, the FAA are putting different irons in the fire and will certainly make changes so they can hit the hiring numbers over the next decade. The future will be better tomorrow.
I thought the intention was to have separate bids for the "enhanced cti" grads which would make it worth it. Even though it wouldn't be guaranteed for a job it would most likely be treated as the military bids which aren't guaranteed either but are essentially guaranteed if you pass medical.
If they do end up making you apply for the open bids and take the ATSA with the rest of the 80k applicants then that would just be dumb.
Personally if I was wanting to be ATC and could go to an enhanced cti school, that would essentially be a pipeline to the FAA, I'd do it. Also if you could major in something else while at the school instead of just a degree in ATC. Why would you take the crap shoot of getting selected with 80k other applicants just to have to go to the school house, where one bad day could end your career, when you could go straight to your facility.
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I think The point is that the academy is a huge bottleneck and the centers can run the same classes and get more people
Through. Now the academy can still run their 1500 students while the enhance sends another who knows how many through in parallel
This is a good way to think about it. They are essentially opening a defacto 2nd or 3rd or 4th academies via university programs before the faa will be able to pin down a location to place a theoretical 2nd academy on their own. Adsb got deployed fast because it was mostly private contractors, so too with this
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I believe the enhanced cti will be the biggest single increase to Staffing and has the chance to get us fully staffed if they get enough schools qualified. There are more schools with good sims that aren’t certified yet.
ADS-B took decades to implement
Deployment was rapid
Deployment started back in '99 with the Alaskan Capstone project. I'm not sure 1999-2020 could be described as 'rapid' by anyone.
