2024 NATCA Election & The Purple and Light Blue CBAs

[FightingIrish2012]

The explanation of pay is what we all thought. Something along the lines of, “The tenor of negotiations changed after the November election”- Lebovidge. We’re fucked when the slate book gets negotiated.

That is total bullshit, and even if it wasn’t they had almost a year to get it done prior. If it wasn’t continuous should have refused to negotiate any other article until the pay article was done.

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

Shoutout to whoever asked the question about pay and the 1.5% bonus. I really hope anyone covered under those two CBAs votes no. Its a slap in the face to all of you

 

[Cat1]

Shoutout to whoever asked the question about pay and the 1.5% bonus. I really hope anyone covered under those two CBAs votes no. Its a slap in the face to all of you

Had to let the people see how spineless our union truly is and how their go to is “you should be happy you’re getting anything at all”. All it is at this point is a gloried boys club.

 

[Logical_Mongoose]

They sound like a bunch of fear junkies: "We gotta sign this contract! We gotta! It's dangerous if we don't! We can't not have a contract! We gotta sign this one or else we won't have one!"

 

[GroundClutter]

They sound like a bunch of fear junkies: "We gotta sign this contract! We gotta! It's dangerous if we don't! We can't not have a contract! We gotta sign this one or else we won't have one!"

We're absolutely cooked.

Fuckin pathetic

 

[Move78]

They sound like a bunch of fear junkies: "We gotta sign this contract! We gotta! It's dangerous if we don't! We can't not have a contract! We gotta sign this one or else we won't have one!"

So vote it down. Prove them wrong. You know better.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Got to hope enough people have the balls to vote it down and send NATCA a message. Send Andy L. to retirement in a more pathetic and disgraced state then Biden.

 

[Mike Kilo]

Got to hope enough people have the balls to vote it down and send NATCA a message. Send Andy L. to retirement in a more pathetic and disgraced state then Biden.

Judging by recent elections I’d guess that about 20% have the balls to do that. 😆

 

[Sassyquatch]

Since the Slate Book, NATCA likes to 'gain', or celebrate, language that is actually being applied to all Federal Employees, and then tout it as some kind of huge win. I challenge someone to show us something that NATCA has negotiated in the last decade that is better than what every other Federal Employee already gets. I dont think you can find it.

Thats if they even manage to get us what every other federal employee gets. Remember when they forget about us for PPL?

This contract doesnt move us forward in any way. Hopefully it gets voted down

So off the PPL thing, what exactly happened again? I keep being told from union people that if it wasn't for the union we wouldn't of ever been included for PPL. I thought it was an oversight that we weren't included and would've gotten it regardless?

 

[PooseMaGoose]

So off the PPL thing, what exactly happened again? I keep being told from union people that if it wasn't for the union we wouldn't of ever been included for PPL. I thought it was an oversight that we weren't included and would've gotten it regardless?

PPL eligibility is tied to FMLA under Title 5 and is the result of legislative action back in 2020.. it extends to any federal employee under title 5 regardless of union negotiation. Sounds like people are feeding you a crock of shit.

 

[Sassyquatch]

PPL eligibility is tied to FMLA under Title 5 and is the result of legislative action back in 2020.. it extends to any federal employee under title 5 regardless of union negotiation. Sounds like people are feeding you a crock of shit.

So why is NATCA taking claim for PPL? What did they actually do? I've had like 4 or 5 people mention that "if it wasn't for the union" we wouldn't of been included in it and I'm just tired of hearing that because I know it's not true, but I can't remember why exactly since I wasn't yet in the agency when this all happened

I know it was under trump for the reason we have PPL and that he helped give this benefit to us but I'd just like to know what exactly it is that NATCA feels like I need to be thanking them for something that all federal employees get?

 

[Kramer]

So why is NATCA taking claim for PPL? What did they actually do? I've had like 4 or 5 people mention that "if it wasn't for the union" we wouldn't of been included in it and I'm just tired of hearing that because I know it's not true, but I can't remember why exactly since I wasn't yet in the agency when this all happened

I know it was under trump for the reason we have PPL and that he helped give this benefit to us but I'd just like to know what exactly it is that NATCA feels like I need to be thanking them for something that all federal employees get?

Ask your rvp

 

[PooseMaGoose]

So why is NATCA taking claim for PPL? What did they actually do? I've had like 4 or 5 people mention that "if it wasn't for the union" we wouldn't of been included in it and I'm just tired of hearing that because I know it's not true, but I can't remember why exactly since I wasn't yet in the agency when this all happened

I know it was under trump for the reason we have PPL and that he helped give this benefit to us but I'd just like to know what exactly it is that NATCA feels like I need to be thanking them for something that all federal employees get?

Are the 4-5 people you mention just coworkers at your facility, or are you hearing this from elected reps/higher NATCA officials?

It’s either low-information people doing what they do, or knowledgeable people trying to lie and assign a win to the union for appearances. Couldn’t say for sure.

 

[Nothanks]

Are the 4-5 people you mention just coworkers at your facility, or are you hearing this from elected reps/higher NATCA officials?

It’s either low-information people doing what they do, or knowledgeable people trying to lie and assign a win to the union for appearances. Couldn’t say for sure.

So are you trying to tell him that NATCA had no involvement in PPL for air traffic controllers? You might want to do some home work their bud.

So off the PPL thing, what exactly happened again? I keep being told from union people that if it wasn't for the union we wouldn't have ever been included for PPL. I thought it was an oversight that we weren't included and would've gotten it regardless?

Call your regional legislative rep, talk to someone that is knowledgeable enough to explain these types of questions to you. Dont just listen to random people at work or online, talk to the people doing the work for you. Their explanations will give you the truth.

 

[PooseMaGoose]

So are you trying to tell him that NATCA had no involvement in PPL for air traffic controllers? You might want to do some home work their bud.

No. I'm saying PPL for controllers is a function of a law change under the Federal Employee Paid Leave Act codified in FMLA/ 5 USC. I am saying that if you are a federal employee eligible for title 5 FMLA leave, you are automatically eligible for PPL.

Also... there*** not "their" bud.

 

[Logical_Mongoose]

You might want to do some home work their bud.

Also... there*** not "their" bud.

 

[Spoony90]

All this talk about PPL is making me want to take a day of PPL.

 

[Nothanks]

No. I'm saying PPL for controllers is a function of a law change under the Federal Employee Paid Leave Act codified in FMLA/ 5 USC. I am saying that if you are a federal employee eligible for title 5 FMLA leave, you are automatically eligible for PPL.

Also... there*** not "their" bud.

No. I'm saying PPL for controllers is a function of a law change under the Federal Employee Paid Leave Act codified in FMLA/ 5 USC. I am saying that if you are a federal employee eligible for title 5 FMLA leave, you are automatically eligible for PPL.

Also... there*** not "their" bud.

2152s were not automatically eligible. You guys are so smart aren’t you. You speak like you know everything, but unfortunately you don’t. I’ll make sure people that stumble on this forum at least get facts.

 

[PooseMaGoose]

2152s were not automatically eligible. You guys are so smart aren’t you. You speak like you know everything, but unfortunately you don’t. I’ll make sure people that stumble on this forum at least get facts.

"NATCA is aggressively seeking a technical correction to fix the loophole that INADVERTANTLY excluded FAA employees."

Why are you trying to act like you are owning somebody? The fact is that it was never the intent to exclude controllers. What it appears you are trying to do is obfuscate NATCA's involvement in un-fucking a technical loophole that was not meant to be and conflate it with NATCA being the reason ATC got PPL in the first place. Yes, NATCA was involved, but the actual reason we have PPL is a function of law, not NATCA achieving us something unique.

 

[Nothanks]

"NATCA is aggressively seeking a technical correction to fix the loophole that INADVERTANTLY excluded FAA employees."

Why are you trying to act like you are owning somebody? The fact is that it was never the intent to exclude controllers. What it appears you are trying to do is obfuscate NATCA's involvement in un-fucking a technical loophole that was not meant to be and conflate it with NATCA being the reason ATC got PPL in the first place. Yes, NATCA was involved, but the actual reason we have PPL is a function of law, not NATCA achieving us something unique.

Congress wouldn’t have fixed that law without involvement from Natca. You think the FAA was going to tell congress to give us free leave ?

You said 2152 were automatically entitled to it. You are wrong, they weren’t. The law needed changed, Natca got that done. Get over it.