In the interest of National Security

Move78 said:
They already did that and they got the number 1 best deal available
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That’s your opinion and I respect it. But with these EOs, there’s a possibility the extension didn’t “protect” us or give us “leverage.” If that’s the case, all it did was piss off a large portion of the membership. I’m not rooting against NATCA, I want them to succeed. Maybe this will all turn out for the better and I will eat my words. But I’m a dues paying member and reserve the right to criticize, especially when they go against the path most of the membership wanted. And because they went against that, I will continue to criticize until I see results from the path they chose.

Look, some of you might be in the location you want, make a salary that is acceptable, and own a house that was bought at a reasonable price with a good interest rate. But there’s a lot of us that don’t even have one of those things. And IMO, the union has failed those members to this point.
 
CreepyPineapple said:
That’s your opinion and I respect it. But with these EOs, there’s a possibility the extension didn’t “protect” us or give us “leverage.” If that’s the case, all it did was piss off a large portion of the membership. I’m not rooting against NATCA, I want them to succeed. Maybe this will all turn out for the better and I will eat my words. But I’m a dues paying member and reserve the right to criticize, especially when they go against the path most of the membership wanted. And because they went against that, I will continue to criticize until I see results from the path they chose.

Look, some of you might be in the location you want, make a salary that is acceptable, and own a house that was bought at a reasonable price with a good interest rate. But there’s a lot of us that don’t even have one of those things. And IMO, the union has failed those members to this point.
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NATCA doesn't control interest rates or your local housing market lol. The location and salary is a legitimate argument though.
 
AlmostEligible said:
NATCA doesn't control interest rates or your local housing market lol. The location and salary is a legitimate argument though.
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The location and salary have a direct impact on the local housing market and interest rates too since we might be able to afford to buy them down a bit if we were paid better. A lot are struggling to save up even a 5% down payment though, forget buying down the rate.
 
This reads to me like they can do whatever they want, any time the feel like it, and claim it's for "operational efficiency".
I'm sure lawsuits will tear it apart, but how many months/years of bullshit will be forced on to people before then?
 
CoffeeIV said:
I enjoy hearing the clowns talk about how we should have negotiated. It's amusing. We have a contract and he wants to void it and you think he would have actually helped us at all? Delusional. But that's the cult for you.
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At least in negotiations we have a chance (however small) at getting something to better ourselves. Now it’s just being forced on us. Which one is better? I’d take a chance for something better any time since we are getting the same results regardless.
 
CoffeeIV said:
I enjoy hearing the clowns talk about how we should have negotiated. It's amusing. We have a contract and he wants to void it and you think he would have actually helped us at all? Delusional. But that's the cult for you.
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Maybe people you talk to are saying different but I have never heard someone say they thought Trump would “help” us. No employer is going to help the person on the other side of the bargaining table. The purpose of a union is to fight for us and our side of the table. If you think NATCA wouldn’t stand a chance against the other side of the table, then maybe we should start to question if this union is right for us if they can’t represent us properly.
 
Whiskey Charlie said:
At least in negotiations we have a chance (however small) at getting something to better ourselves. Now it’s just being forced on us. Which one is better? I’d take a chance for something better any time since we are getting the same results regardless.
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Ah yeah, we get our CBA cancelled by a deranged president and you blame NATCA. Had we gone to negotiation and got fucked over you would have blamed NATCA.

Just cult things.


Whisky Charlie posted this back in March of last year: "I hope Trump gets in office. The union didn’t do anything under the “most union friendly president” or whatever Biden claimed so maybe NATCA should do something to prove why members should go out of their way to pay them outside of payroll deductions. Prove to me why I should and I’ll do it..."

Trump can do no wrong in these people's mind. They'll whine about everyone else while Trump fucks them over. They don't understand that a union can't do anything if they're constantly voting against the union and having union powers stripped. These people are nitwits.
 
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CoffeeIV said:
Ah yeah, we get our CBA cancelled by a deranged president and you blame NATCA. Had we gone to negotiation and got fucked over you would have blamed NATCA.

Just cult things.


Whisky Charlie posted this back in March of last year: "I hope Trump gets in office."

Trump can do no wrong in these people's mind. They'll whine about everyone else while Trump fucks them over.
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I literally said we are being screwed either way, yet you think I believe Trump can do no wrong? Don’t put words in my mouth.
 
Whiskey Charlie said:
The location and salary have a direct impact on the local housing market and interest rates too since we might be able to afford to buy them down a bit if we were paid better. A lot are struggling to save up even a 5% down payment though, forget buying down the rate.
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Well the people you are comparing yourself to (which was the point of your post) bought homes 5+ years ago when things were better. My point is that's irrelevant to NATCA. If prices and rates didn't just go up like crazy in a never seen before way most people that currently can't, actually would be able to buy something reasonable with a good rate. It's the markets ridiculous jump on prices and rates fault, not NATCA. And buying points is extremely expensive just for a fraction of a point. Not really a games changer comparing yourself to someone with a 2% rate when current rates are around 6.5%. But I guess you can argue that NATCA could make it easier for you to now pay an unreasonable price with a bad interest rate. Now that is true lol. But maybe the market will crash at the same time we get a big pay raise. Who knows
 
AlmostEligible said:
Well the people you are comparing yourself to (which was the point of your post) bought homes 5+ years ago when things were better. My point is that's irrelevant to NATCA. If prices and rates didn't just go up like crazy in a never seen before way most people that currently can't, actually would be able to buy something reasonable with a good rate. It's the markets ridiculous jump on prices and rates fault, not NATCA. And buying points is extremely expensive just for a fraction of a point. Not really a games changer comparing yourself to someone with a 2% rate when current rates are around 6.5%. But I guess you can argue that NATCA could make it easier for you to now pay an unreasonable price with a bad interest rate. Now that is true lol. But maybe the market will crash at the same time we get a big pay raise. Who knows
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But they aren’t irrelevant to NATCA. The unions job is to fight for and secure better pay and benefits, and the union has effectively said Fuck you to any member who did not buy a house before around 2018.

This contract has not kept up, many other labor groups have kept up. That’s the angst.

People understand Private sector v public sector won’t match. What people are struggling with is this attitude from NATCA that because Trump sucks and wants to take everything away, we should be happy with 1.6% and nothing more for the now 13 years of this awful contract the current president extended, with no input from members, after saying he wouldn’t do exactly that during the election.

I agree that Trump sucks. I didn’t vote for him, I don’t like the guy. At some point, the union has to step up and take care of their workers. Right now, it feels like they care solely about keeping official time, because most of the scammers on these A114 at home details are living comfortably in their house they bought in 2008-2013, when our pay was comfortably upper middle class, even in HCOL areas like ZOA. The pay is straight garbage, and that should be a LABOR UNIONs number 1 priority to fix.
 
Whiskey Charlie said:
At least in negotiations we have a chance (however small) at getting something to better ourselves. Now it’s just being forced on us. Which one is better? I’d take a chance for something better any time since we are getting the same results regardless.
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Nonsense. They would have wiped their ass with the white book, changed the date and handed it to us.
 

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