Shoot The Breeze

[Shikaka]

ah it’s, back.

I tell all my trainees one thing from the very beginning. You are expected to learn the book work yourself. I can teach you how to apply the rules in the .65, or the LOA or SOP, but to know how to apply it you first have to know what it says. Learning what it says is up to you. The book knowledge trainees are coming to us with from the Academy is EXTREMELY lacking. That’s not the trainees fault, but they’re the ones who have to make up the Academy’s failings. For example, I gave a group of our data trainees fresh from the Academy a quiz about basic knowledge. Things like what are the methods of radar identification. Not one passed. But I wasn’t saying I expect their practical ability to apply these things to be perfect. I don’t expect that at all. I would never expect someone’s practical skills to be normal after this long a hiatus.

For giggles I did this with our trainee who is at least ground certified, same with mode c validation the other day. Compete fail.

 

[32andBelow]

AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise i saw your post briefly before it disappeared. I’m not expecting trainees skills to improve or be the same, I’m just expecting their knowledge to be up to par. Nothing about current circumstances is preventing a trainee at home from studying LOA’s or airspace or the .65.

It’s this boomer ass idea that we like aren’t going to try hard in training. Or learn our material. I always study hard and I usually do well.

 

[DankVectorz]

It’s this boomer ass idea that we like aren’t going to try hard in training. Or learn our material. I always study hard and I usually do well.

I’ve dealt with too many trainees who DON’T try hard, and DON’T learn the material. Consider me jaded. And the amount of trainees on here who got mad at suggesting they study while being at home all this time seems to justify that viewpoint as well. But I didn’t actually anywhere suggest y’all wouldn’t, I just said they better know it when they come back. You’re the one who took it as some sort of personal attack.

 

[CF]

I’ve dealt with too many trainees who DON’T try hard, and DON’T learn the material. Consider me jaded. And the amount of trainees on here who got mad at suggesting they study while being at home all this time seems to justify that viewpoint as well. But I didn’t actually anywhere suggest y’all wouldn’t, I just said they better know it when they come back. You’re the one who took it as some sort of personal attack.

Yeah my guess is the guys on this forum who are all amped to train aren’t your problem. It’s the ones who don’t give a shit normally.

 

[CaptainObvious]

I’ve dealt with too many trainees who DON’T try hard, and DON’T learn the material. Consider me jaded. And the amount of trainees on here who got mad at suggesting they study while being at home all this time seems to justify that viewpoint as well. But I didn’t actually anywhere suggest y’all wouldn’t, I just said they better know it when they come back. You’re the one who took it as some sort of personal attack.

I’ll just say I’m not studying while at home.

 

[AB19]

I’ll just say I’m not studying while at home.

Reported to the FAA

 

[CaptainObvious]

Reported to the FAA

do it

 

[32andBelow]

I’ve dealt with too many trainees who DON’T try hard, and DON’T learn the material. Consider me jaded. And the amount of trainees on here who got mad at suggesting they study while being at home all this time seems to justify that viewpoint as well. But I didn’t actually anywhere suggest y’all wouldn’t, I just said they better know it when they come back. You’re the one who took it as some sort of personal attack.

Then they can wash out. I’ve also been written up by trainers that don’t even know the rules and don’t like what you because of feeling

 

[OKbusyB]

DankVectorz You sound like a solid trainer. Which it seems to be a 50/50 shot of getting and the alternative is like kind like 32andBelow mentioned above. Seems to be none in between. I thank my lucky stars I’ve had trainers that push me hard but only expect what’s possible. There’s no way I can be at their level of 10-15 years in, but showing progress is all they care about.

 

[Super Salt]

DankVectorz You sound like a solid trainer. Which it seems to be a 50/50 shot of getting and the alternative is like kind like 32andBelow mentioned above. Seems to be none in between. I thank my lucky stars I’ve had trainers that push me hard but only expect what’s possible. There’s no way I can be at their level of 10-15 years in, but showing progress is all they care about.

Dude, that’s what it’s all about. Progress and improvements. No one becomes a god over night. It takes time, mistakes, learning from mistakes, and moving forward.

 

[OKbusyB]

Dude, that’s what it’s all about. Progress and improvements. No one becomes a god over night. It takes time, mistakes, learning from mistakes, and moving forward.

It’s the loud few that expect god like out of the gate that make it soul sucking. But a damn good trainer makes training actually fun and enjoyable. It can be quite the tug and pull lol.

 

[Super Salt]

It’s the loud few that expect god like out of the gate that make it soul sucking. But a damn good trainer makes training actually fun and enjoyable. It can be quite the tug and pull lol.

The trainer that balances the expectations with what the trainee has experienced, is what equals it all out.

 

[HenryTheAce]

It can be quite the tug and pull lol.

I said rub no tug!!

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

I’ve dealt with too many trainees who DON’T try hard, and DON’T learn the material. Consider me jaded. And the amount of trainees on here who got mad at suggesting they study while being at home all this time seems to justify that viewpoint as well. But I didn’t actually anywhere suggest y’all wouldn’t, I just said they better know it when they come back. You’re the one who took it as some sort of personal attack.

My original comment that started all of this was a troll post. When I started D-Side training on the floor I did a point out during my first session, and my trainer was giddy I knew how. Apparently the CPC-IT trainee she had before me set the bar so low I looked like an all-star. I can absolutely understand why training someone who hasn’t put any effort into studying would be infuriating.
When I arrived at my facility, I had 8 months to prepare for D-School. There was no excuse not to know a Letter or SOP by the time we hit the floor, but somehow some CPC-ITs raking in $100k A year at my facility managed to learn absolutely nothing before starting OJT. In all seriousness, I’ve always tried to control what I can control and be the best I can be. The lack of control over the furlough situation is what makes this hiatus so frustrating. I’m an aviation nerd and I love what I do, and can’t wait to get back to work I’d be lying if I said I enjoyed reading the legalese in the 7110.65, or the LOAs and SOPs for an additional 5 months after the 8 I had at the beginning of my training. Hopefully we’ll get back to training, and we can all bitch about NCEPT and our stupid supervisors soon. Staying home this much is driving me insane.

 

[PushingTin]

. Hopefully we’ll get back to training, and we can all bitch about NCEPT and our stupid supervisors soon. Staying home this much is driving me insane.

November 3rd all this disappears and things get back to normal. Except good luck putting genie back in bottle and reigning in the anarchist mobs that have been unleashed throughout the country, wreaking havoc under the ubiquitous guise of "George Floyd".

 

[Horny4Vectors]

At least at my facility thr FAA wants to send them all back to OKC for refresher training. Why they don’t think it would be better just to do that here I don’t know, but yes there will be a chance to knock some of the rust off before actual training resumes.

So does that mean the CPCITs get to leap frog them? Or am I waiting 4 years to get on the floor?

 

[DankVectorz]

So does that mean the CPCITs get to leap frog them? Or am I waiting 4 years to get on the floor?

last I heard, which was pre-Covid, is no fast track for cpc-it, even you guys coming from other 12 tracons. Incredibly stupid imo.

 

[Horny4Vectors]

last I heard, which was pre-Covid, is no fast track for cpc-it, even you guys coming from other 12 tracons. Incredibly stupid imo.

Agreed. But...whatever. I’m floatin’ down a river that’s barely moving and I’m perfectly fine with it

 

[DankVectorz]

Agreed. But...whatever. I’m floatin’ down a river that’s barely moving and I’m perfectly fine with it

i hope much like myself you’re living your best life right now

 

[CaptainObvious]

I bet the scam schedule is super nice when you’re making CPC pay and nothing else to worry about