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The same “old guard” who hates you for not ever working hard or fast enough at work now hates you for making an effort to go back to work.
ClearanceClarence
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And the same “old guard” that didn’t have to deal with anything close to this level of bullshit while they were in training.
FightingIrish2012
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Dude, some of those guys trained on pre 9/11 traffic levels and when a lot of planes didn’t have RVSM. Imagine working more traffic at your Z and having to use 2,000 feet separation, and not having TMU and all these SID and STAR procedures to save you.
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Not talking about the job itself, I’m talking about what’s going to end up being at LEAST a year long across the board training delay with no clear end in sight. When you’re in a career where you’re forced out at 56, that’s time you’re never going to be able to make up. To top it off, trainees have been tossed to the side by the union and treated like garbage. The only things anyone has heard in 8 months is there’s a recall plan with gating criteria so unrealistic, it could take another year for every facility to get everyone back in the building, and rumors about RIFs. Had anyone from the pre 9/11 days had to go through this, they’d be pissed too. Anyone would be.
Plus isn’t one of the main complaints from the “old guard” towards the current trainee generation that they’re lazy? Literally all people want to do is go back to work. There may be a few people who think this is awesome and treat it like a free vacation, but I know myself and most of my friends took this job because we want to train and work traffic. I don’t think wanting to be allowed to go to work is asking much.
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I know I’m a minority here but I’d happily sit at home for a year on my 70k salary. But I do feel for trainees sitting at home waiting on raises. On the one hand at least you didn’t get a level 5/6 to start and are at a minimum a 10 at a center, but I still agree with lost wages.
If there is traffic to warrant training, everyone at that facility should be recalled back to BWS.
If there is traffic to warrant training, everyone at that facility should be recalled back to BWS.
I can't quote the last response to a checking in text, because the 'old guard' might recognize it - but it was made crystal clear that further contact should only be initiated by the facility, not the other way around.
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Uh oh he hit em with the IF you check out card
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I love when this gets thrown in our faces. Outside of ZOA and ZNY the training success rate is fairly high at Centers. The overwhelming majority of trainees certify
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You don’t have to take it. Just if you’re wanting to make up the salary high 3.
ClearanceClarence
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Whys that? Wouldn’t giving people a waiver for a year or two help with staffing? Seems like a win win for everybody.
The current levels are traffic are deemed to be the new normal and what certification/training is to be done one. So whatever traffic there is, it warrants training.
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Mike Kilo
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For good reason. The reason you get good time 1.7% for your pension is that we are forced out. Add in the social security supplement as well. Say goodbye to mandatory retirement at 56! Work for the same % pension until your 70! The 20 years of good time at 1.7 equates to 14 years of government service.
Proving we can work past 56 is doing everyone else a disservice and is a selfish move.
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I haven't been on here for like 6 weeks, so I've probably missed some questions in posts throughout the site.
However, here's this weeks' news:
RIFs have not been mentioned to my knowledge within the FAA.
There was 20 facilities this week that had to stop their trainee recall due to their covid cases rising beyond the gating criteria. Stopping the recall process does not affect those that were recalled and in the building. They are still at work permanently and able to start/continue OJT. Only those that never made it in are affected.
More this week or next week about returning the non-essential people to work.
Important to follow the mask and social distance mandates. Assigned as an eLMS course for all employees to acknowledge. There's been hotline and email complaints about coworkers not wearing a mask when they are required to.
The Excused Absence policy memo will be reissued as an eLMS course. Again, not all employees are following it. They're taking vacations and leaving the state/country, and then when called to come to work are saying they didn't know they're recallable. There's been investigations done by ASH looking into these reports.
There's been over 300 COVID cases in the facilities.
There's been 132 Level 3 cleanings at Centers, 251 at towers, 44 at Tracons.
96 ATC-0 events relating to the Level 3 cleaning at Centers, 68 at towers, 5 at Tracons.
November events have already passed the total events for October.
However, here's this weeks' news:
RIFs have not been mentioned to my knowledge within the FAA.
There was 20 facilities this week that had to stop their trainee recall due to their covid cases rising beyond the gating criteria. Stopping the recall process does not affect those that were recalled and in the building. They are still at work permanently and able to start/continue OJT. Only those that never made it in are affected.
More this week or next week about returning the non-essential people to work.
Important to follow the mask and social distance mandates. Assigned as an eLMS course for all employees to acknowledge. There's been hotline and email complaints about coworkers not wearing a mask when they are required to.
The Excused Absence policy memo will be reissued as an eLMS course. Again, not all employees are following it. They're taking vacations and leaving the state/country, and then when called to come to work are saying they didn't know they're recallable. There's been investigations done by ASH looking into these reports.
There's been over 300 COVID cases in the facilities.
There's been 132 Level 3 cleanings at Centers, 251 at towers, 44 at Tracons.
96 ATC-0 events relating to the Level 3 cleaning at Centers, 68 at towers, 5 at Tracons.
November events have already passed the total events for October.
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Do you interpret this as the current recall guidelines may be amended/loosened to try and continue getting people back in the building? It seems pretty clear there are many locations that won’t be yellow/green for 2 consecutive weeks for a very long time.
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At first I thought they were talking about the high-risk people. But then they were mentioned separately. So I think, like you, that they're looking at getting more people back into the building when they can.
Also mentioned was that aerospace medicine offices are concerned about a few facilities with rising case numbers. So maybe they'll look into more individualized recall plans as needed.
Can you share what was mentioned about high risk?
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