Press Conference at 11am

I just think that our buying power should not be decreasing due to inflation. The guys that retired a few years ago shouldn't have boat and lake house money and we're not able to have the same.

I don't care what the rest of the country makes or what the average income is. We're not average wage earners.

Know your worth.
 
Shikaka said:
I'm curious as to what you think we should be making.
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Less, and they don't need to stipulate. The FBO manager, various airport personnel, two of my friends who work at a power plant, etc., all make more than me with significantly improved quality of life, but I am out of touch. We should advocate for pay reductions, if anything. I would say that max pay for ATC should be 200K, and that's on introduced 7s, with time off being only vacation.

And notice the wording: "It’s such fake news that these all these easy to get 200k jobs. They’re out there for sure but not that easy."

The implicit assertion is that a 200K ATC job is an "easy to get" one, and suddenly we're identifying that sure, these non-ATC 200K jobs exist, but being a burger store manager isn't easy like being a 10-11-12 controller somewhere.
 
CoffeeIV said:
It's ok. I know you support Nick and Jamaal. You defended them when I complained about the yacht.

You're part of the problem.

July 2019 shows 80.6% success rate (this is when the NTI started)
May 2025 shows 81.2% success rate.
2022 shows some months of 82% success rate
In 2016, we had a 76% success rate across the NAS.

Now I know I'm not a math wiz but seems like more people are checking out and not being washed out but maybe those success rate numbers are fake news.
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You don’t even know what creates that data. You’re just talking out of your ass. I’m not even defending the NTI. Just calling you out for making shit up
 
CreepyPineapple said:
We make good money. Problem is this job used to be considered great money.
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The career just hasn’t kept up with inflation. At all. If you made $100,000 in 2005 you were solidly upper middle class almost anywhere. Now $100,000 in most cities is barely enough to scrape by. And there’s still plenty of controllers that don’t make six figures. There’s probably some level 4-5’s out there that literally pay less than some fast food jobs.
 
AB19 said:
People in this career are so out of touch it's fucking insane lmao
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“People have it worse so you’re insane to ask for better.”

There’s 304.1 million people in the USA. There’s 11k controllers. That’s .00003% of the population. We do a job many people don’t want. We work fucked up hours. Our job isn’t filing paperwork with a cover sheet, there’s real life consequences to this shit. This job takes years off your life. It impacts your personal relationships and mental health.

To demand better compensation isn’t “out of touch.” Not knowing your worth is.

We lost out to inflation. Inflation isn’t NATCA’s fault. But poor planning and not actually advocating for our pay is. For an administration that was “never going to give us any money” they sure are giving the career field lots of money. Too bad the folks keeping this system going ain’t seeing a penny of it.

I’m embarrassed by y’all controllers pushing back on demands for pay increases. Y’all are the types that need that need 20 MIT without weather around.
 
fluentdeer said:
“People have it worse so you’re insane to ask for better.”

There’s 304.1 million people in the USA. There’s 11k controllers. That’s .00003% of the population. We do a job many people don’t want. We work fucked up hours. Our job isn’t filing paperwork with a cover sheet, there’s real life consequences to this shit. This job takes years off your life. It impacts your personal relationships and mental health.

To demand better compensation isn’t “out of touch.” Not knowing your worth is.

We lost out to inflation. Inflation isn’t NATCA’s fault. But poor planning and not actually advocating for our pay is. For an administration that was “never going to give us any money” they sure are giving the career field lots of money. Too bad the folks keeping this system going ain’t seeing a penny of it.
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When have I ever said we don't deserve more money, we can both deserve more money and be wildly out of touch what the average person goes through. I know a lot of people here don't give a fuck about those average people, and they will say the same thing when it comes to us not getting a raise.
 
AB19 said:
When have I ever said we don't deserve more money, we can both deserve more money and be wildly out of touch what the average person goes through. I know a lot of people here don't give a fuck about those average people, and they will say the same thing when it comes to us not getting a raise.
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What does someone else working in a different job have to do with my pay raise?
 
fluentdeer said:
“People have it worse so you’re insane to ask for better.”

There’s 304.1 million people in the USA. There’s 11k controllers. That’s .00003% of the population. We do a job many people don’t want. We work fucked up hours. Our job isn’t filing paperwork with a cover sheet, there’s real life consequences to this shit. This job takes years off your life. It impacts your personal relationships and mental health.

To demand better compensation isn’t “out of touch.” Not knowing your worth is.

We lost out to inflation. Inflation isn’t NATCA’s fault. But poor planning and not actually advocating for our pay is. For an administration that was “never going to give us any money” they sure are giving the career field lots of money. Too bad the folks keeping this system going ain’t seeing a penny of it.

I’m embarrassed by y’all controllers pushing back on demands for pay increases. Y’all are the types that need that need 20 MIT without weather around.
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Well said. Should’ve capitalized on the attention we got from both sides of the aisle. Both sides agree our career field is over worked and under staffed.
 
AB19 said:
None of my friends make close to what I make, the only ones who make more than me are surgeons and doctors. The median wage in this country is still like 45k, I'm not sure where people think this is some dead end job. So many people here have been in this job so long that you are entirely out of touch with the real world.
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Get better friends
 
AB19 said:
None of my friends make close to what I make, the only ones who make more than me are surgeons and doctors. The median wage in this country is still like 45k, I'm not sure where people think this is some dead end job. So many people here have been in this job so long that you are entirely out of touch with the real world.
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The median wage hasn’t been $45K for over a decade. It’s in the mid $60K’s now with some estimates pushing $70K. And that median wage includes people working low to no skill jobs like fast food workers. We have one of the most difficult jobs to get and train through in the nation. Looks like you’re the one that’s out of touch with reality.
 
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cryhavoc478 said:
What's fucking comical about the "high cost of living facilities" is Aspen, nantucket and Napa aren't on the list. 3 of the most expensive places to live in the nation, all 3 are low level facilities and just simply aren't mentioned. This union is fucking useless.
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It’s absolutely criminal that ASE doesn’t get a terrain multiplier either because that would help. They literally are a TRACAB for constant ODO ops departing one way and landing the other due to mountains right off the field.
 
SquawkHijack said:
It’s absolutely criminal that ASE doesn’t get a terrain multiplier either because that would help. They literally are a TRACAB for constant ODO ops departing one way and landing the other due to mountains right off the field.
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The tracon gets a terrain multiplier
 

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