Abolish NCEPT

[32andBelow]

Picking states leaves some facilities with no one to fill them. Regions helps. But then you’ll have the same problem you have now, forcing people to go hundreds of miles away from where they want.

Same goes for the transfer process. The FAA needs to be able to staff the 312 facilities. unfortunately the only way to do that is force people to go there after the academy because sure as shit they aren’t going to force certified people there. Not ideal yes, but there is no other way to staff them. My suggestion is to contract them out.

You’ve had 700 plus hardships, many complete horse shit, since ncept, however many management sections and that’s screwed a lot of facilities and the ncept highlights even further how many facilities there are that no one wants to go to and how few people actually want to go to.

it worked fine for all the old timers that have been where they wanted to be for the last 20 years. Maybe have the atms at these small facilities do local hiring. You know people live in these places already

 

[Soul_Controller]

it worked fine for all the old timers that have been where they wanted to be for the last 20 years. Maybe have the atms at these small facilities do local hiring. You know people live in these places already

There is literally a guy up thread who got in when you could pick two states... Then goes on to mention he's moved twice

 

[32andBelow]

There is literally a guy up thread who got in when you could pick two states... Then goes on to mention he's moved twice

So? There’s no debating more people would start where they want to be with that system

 

[Soul_Controller]

So? There’s no debating more people would start where they want to be with that system

But that's not the choice. Not every place had an opening at the same time. The choice is a job now, a job later, or no job at all.

But even if it increases the amount of people that initially start where they want, the point is that they tend to want to move anyways.

 

[Jay-Jay Jet Plane]

The people that are active in NATCA with stuff like this are already where they want to be. So they agree it works. To hell with any of us that want to move and dont want to be active kissers of the ring...

 

[32andBelow]

But that's not the choice. Not every place had an opening at the same time. The choice is a job now, a job later, or no job at all.

But even if it increases the amount of people that initially start where they want, the point is that they tend to want to move anyways.

it’s a lot different having somewhere go somewhere they pick and then deciding later they want to move versus forcing someone to move 3000 miles when they aren’t even established in the career. Especially with en route they could probably place over 50% into the center they want

 

[slater]

1. Stop sending academy grads to 10+ facs.
2. Allow 31+ age military retirement controllers to work under a different retirement plan and starting at lvl 8 and below.
3. Reinstatement controllers can apply lvl 7+ facilities
4. Open up ERR for CPC to move up from lower facilities based on time at facility seniority and bids open.

Some ideas.

 

[TermLimits]

There is literally a guy up thread who got in when you could pick two states... Then goes on to mention he's moved twice

He mentioned that he still lives and works in that state though. He has stayed at “home” essentially.

I do think picking states would be good again, but it would leave places in the more rural mid-west and smaller states short. Can’t imagine the FAA has a line of applicants from Helena MT.

 

[DowntownTG]

Can’t imagine the FAA has a line of applicants from Helena MT.

Throw in some save pay if you come from a higher level facility and there will be a loooong line.

 

[ZO]

1. Stop sending academy grads to 10+ facs.
2. Allow 31+ age military retirement controllers to work under a different retirement plan and starting at lvl 8 and below.
3. Reinstatement controllers can apply lvl 7+ facilities
4. Open up ERR for CPC to move up from lower facilities based on time at facility seniority and bids open.

Some ideas.

1. They don't really except for centers. Which they should. Centers need the most bodies and have the training infrastructure to build a trainee from the ground up.
2. New retirement plan is a decent idea, but I doubt many would apply for that, and the quality of controller that was 15 or so years in the military is likely very low. But what about the BUEs at lower levels? Not fair for a new hire to get hired and jump them.
3. This encourages quitting, the current system is just fine, re-entering at the level you left.
4. Facility seniority isn't a bad idea, but the majority of the workforce would never sign off on that.

 

[32andBelow]

He mentioned that he still lives and works in that state though. He has stayed at “home” essentially.

I do think picking states would be good again, but it would leave places in the more rural mid-west and smaller states short. Can’t imagine the FAA has a line of applicants from Helena MT.

People already live in Montana! Go advertise the job at the local
College.

 

[Ad1234]

it worked fine for all the old timers that have been where they wanted to be for the last 20 years. Maybe have the atms at these small facilities do local hiring. You know people live in these places already

The ATMs were the ones who were screwing up the transfer process…..that’s why we got the ncept.

Now you want them to choose who gets hired? You don’t want that

 

[32andBelow]

The ATMs were the ones who were screwing up the transfer process…..that’s why we got the ncept.

Now you want them to choose who gets hired? You don’t want that

They’d still have to pass the process

 

[Dolan]

At this point I'd be willing to do canada's transfer system. Totally seniority based, everyone gets a light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[twn]

At this point I'd be willing to do canada's transfer system. Totally seniority based, everyone gets a light at the end of the tunnel.

Same, first one in first one out. Gives everybody a chance to eventually move

 

[abc1234]

He mentioned that he still lives and works in that state though. He has stayed at “home” essentially.

I do think picking states would be good again, but it would leave places in the more rural mid-west and smaller states short. Can’t imagine the FAA has a line of applicants from Helena MT.

Helena MT population: 32,000
Average salary: $54,000
HLN Tower CPC base pay: $72,041
CPC Target #: 10

Guarantee you can staff that place and every other rural level 5 tower with local bids to 120% staffing.

 

[Move78]

The people that are active in NATCA with stuff like this are already where they want to be. So they agree it works. To hell with any of us that want to move and dont want to be active kissers of the ring...

This is untrue

 

[Soul_Controller]

Helena MT population: 32,000
Average salary: $54,000
HLN Tower CPC base pay: $72,041
CPC Target #: 10

Guarantee you can staff that place and every other rural level 5 tower with local bids to 120% staffing.

Yeah, until they realize they can make twice as much money at salt lake center

 

[32andBelow]

Yeah, until they realize they can make twice as much money at salt lake center

So build actual pipelines and replace them…then salt lake will have an actual pipeline and better staffing.

 

[Ad1234]

So build actual pipelines and replace them…then salt lake will have an actual pipeline and better staffing.

While in theory this works, when 50k people apply to open bids that specifically states “willing to work anywhere” there is no need or motivation.

Also, when someone from Sarasota wants to go to salt lake because their grandma is there, how does that work? They would be outside of that pipeline