Alaska FSS ADP FY23

Tango-Zulu · Jan 8, 2023

Does anyone have any information regarding the Alaska FSS/ATC trainee bid? I’m not sure if I’m reading the description correctly. Are you able to transfer to ATC after FSS? Any information regarding this would be greatly appreciated.

Alaska FSS ADP FY23 Announcement at Federal Aviation Administration

Air Traffic Control Specialist - Trainee DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION Federal Aviation Administration FAA, Air Traffic Organization, Sys Ops, Flight Services, Alaska Flight Service Stations (FSS) Overview This announcement is open from October 1, 2022 through September 30, 2023. Applications...

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GulfBravoPapa · Jan 8, 2023

No, at this time you are not able to transfer between FSS and ATC.

Tango-Zulu · Jan 8, 2023

GulfBravoPapa said:
No, at this time you are not able to transfer between FSS and ATC.

Thanks for the clarification

32andBelow · Jan 8, 2023

GulfBravoPapa said:
No, at this time you are not able to transfer between FSS and ATC.

Even tho you totally should be able to and the contract says you can

GulfBravoPapa · Jan 8, 2023

Meh. It should be split into a separate job and not be 2152.

32andBelow · Jan 8, 2023

GulfBravoPapa said:
Meh. It should be split into a separate job and not be 2152.

Why? Seems like a good place to get people from. They are pretty involved

J-one-s · Jan 11, 2023

32andBelow said:
Why? Seems like a good place to get people from. They are pretty involved

No shit. There's an untapped market of people with the job code, the good time, the clearances, and the medicals, who would probably be willing to slide into towers that no one wants to go to.

But some of us here have it pretty good. My facility isn't on rotating schedules, and I think most of us are too spoiled to want to go somewhere with a rotation. I wasn't cpc for a full year and i got straight evenings 4-10s with Thursday Friday Saturday off. There's no way in hell I'd ever get a schedule like that, in terminal or enroute ?.

Phillytroll69 · Jan 11, 2023

I just find it B's that nobody cares. Years ago washouts were getting sent to fss and have no way back. The worst is the one I keep in touch with fought and fought and fought, but nobody seemed to care. Ultimately he never got back to the control side of things.

Contract says yes, hr people say no.

Greene21 · Mar 4, 2023

Who is saying they can't ERR out? Contract says nothing about not being able.

FightingIrish2012 · Mar 4, 2023

Greene21 said:
Who is saying they can't ERR out? Contract says nothing about not being able.

They cant fucking ERR out, this was a major topics here a couple years ago, the people who were running a campaign to be able to ERR were told to eat a dick by NATCA and all eventually left the agency.

Take this job if you want it but don’t ever think delusionaly think you will ever get to be a real 2152 controller over it.

32andBelow · Mar 4, 2023

FightingIrish2012 said:
They cant fucking ERR out, this was a major topics here a couple years ago, the people who were running a campaign to be able to ERR were told to eat a dick by NATCA and all eventually left the agency.

Take this job if you want it but don’t ever think delusionaly think you will ever get to be a real 2152 controller over it.

They should be able to err out. Plus idk why the FAA would be against it. Don’t they want more tower controllers? Some of Those guys would take a shot at a 4-5 in a heartbeat

HighFrequency · Mar 4, 2023

32andBelow said:
They should be able to err out. Plus idk why the FAA would be against it. Don’t they want more tower controllers? Some of Those guys would take a shot at a 4-5 in a heartbeat

There are a few of us that even have CTOs/Facility Ratings from the military, or school way back when. It would be a pretty easy move to a low level tower. NATCA is constantly telling us it'll happen in the "next panel," but I've been hearing that for two years now. It's a comfortable job in the mean time, but having options like everyone else is nice. Whether you believe it's a "real" 2152 job or not, it *is* a 2152 job. Historically, before the lower 48 got contracted out, it wasn't even uncommon for controllers to have FSS, Center, and Tower stints all in one career.

Phillytroll69 · Mar 4, 2023

HighFrequency said:
There are a few of us that even have CTOs/Facility Ratings from the military, or school way back when. It would be a pretty easy move to a low level tower. NATCA is constantly telling us it'll happen in the "next panel," but I've been hearing that for two years now. It's a comfortable job in the mean time, but having options like everyone else is nice. Whether you believe it's a "real" 2152 job or not, it *is* a 2152 job. Historically, before the lower 48 got contracted out, it wasn't even uncommon for controllers to have FSS, Center, and Tower stints all in one career.

Are you insinuating that before it was privatized by Lockheed there were better benefits and different career progression?

We really need a seat at the table and it's definitely going to happen to us as well by 2019 so securing stable funding is a priority.

HighFrequency · Mar 4, 2023

Phillytroll69 said:
Are you insinuating that before it was privatized by Lockheed there were better benefits and different career progression?

We really need a seat at the table and it's definitely going to happen to us as well by 2019 so securing stable funding is a priority.

If the clowns that were gung-ho for privatizing the NAS took 5 minutes to talk to a Lockheed/Leidos employee and their worse-than-White-Book working conditions, they would be singing a very different tune. Or not. I think we all know those arguments were never coming from a place with our collective best interests at heart anyway...

Right now, the FAA specialists in Alaska just want NATCA and the Agency to include us in the processes we're already entitled to as literal 2152s. Same contract, same title, but fucked over on ERRs and being in the NCEPT.

FightingIrish2012 · Mar 4, 2023

32andBelow said:
They should be able to err out. Plus idk why the FAA would be against it. Don’t they want more tower controllers? Some of Those guys would take a shot at a 4-5 in a heartbeat

They should but they can’t. Last time an organized group of FSS took it to the highest levels of NATCA NATCA said they have “empathy but not sympathy” and would not work on in. Those guys who pushed for it since left the career field and anyone else who brought it up since then gets crushed faster than early 1900’s Carnegie steel workers by his enforcer Fick. Fick was a true bad ass not to be confused with Mick.

Alaska FSS ADP FY23

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