Thats 729 per quarter
August 2025
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Of people actually attempting with hope
CreepyPineapple
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List is out on NATCA site
39/71 releases from centers Jesus 😳😳
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I literally said the same thing…
32andBelow
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Finally.
Thank you! I always forget about Reddit.
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When next panel
ZoolooZulu
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Most likely November
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How do I checkout 30 more people by then?!??!
It's easy, just have their checkrides at 6am traffic levels where supervisors get their currency. They talk to only 5 planes an hour and then they're certified. Then you can release in no time
SquawkHijack
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If you want to go somewhere you should ALWAYS put paperwork in (and resubmit within every 15 months to keep it current) no matter what! Refraining from doing so does 2 things: 1. It lets NATCA cucks like Move78 make a bullshit argument that “BaReLy AnYbOdY wAnTs To MoVe” because the raw data between total number of ERRs to total CPCs is low. And 2. The original submission date starts the clock and could make the difference between you and someone who’s barely been certified being selected to the same facility you want because they snuck in paperwork before you. Even if it was secretly while in training.
We have got to get out of this mentality of, “I would like to go to XXX, but there’s no fucking hope. Why even put in ERR paperwork?” The more of you that carry that rationale, the worse you fuck yourself and everybody else.
I was gonna say, Zs have gotten the raw end of the deal with NCEPT for a long time.
Thanks for posting!
The DEN release to MCI is shitty, that person was at MCI, ERRd to DEN and is now going back to MCI… I feel terrible for anyone stuck at a low level shithole who can’t even ERR at all. This hopscotching from one good facility to another should NOT be happening.
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Not as bad as my level 8
PlasticBag12
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I get the impression that most folks stuck at facilities that cannot release do not want to be bothered with filling the paperwork out to begin with and then updating it every 15 months prior to it expiring. To my knowledge, there is no time stamp that gives a single shit how long that paperwork has been in.
If there was an easy way to do things I think you would see a much greater number of controllers wanting to transfer than the 700 or so that were on file this panel.
I understand why they would do it, it used to be common when people could actually move around freely.
go to a higher level facility, certify, maybe get your high three and then go back either to a place you want to be or the place you came from but saving pay and maxing the band and having a much easier life.
The agency isn’t going to give you more money voluntarily so you have to find a way to checkmate them into it
Or maybe they didn’t like Denver, it is an increasingly extremely expensive area to live in and maybe after taking that into account they realize that it didn’t pan out financially, I know more than a couple controllers who moved up to more money on paper, but ended up worse off because their old place was significantly cheaper than Where they ended up going. I also know a couple who moved up to work “real traffic” and then realized it sucks getting your face kicked in all day, every day.
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But_I_Had_Visual
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I mean it’s not THAT hard to submit ERRs. I’ve seen people submit more than 30 the day after they certified. Also, let’s not pretend it’s that hard to set a calendar event 14 months out to resubmit the paperwork you already completed. It varies by service area though in regards to the ease of getting confirmation of a submission. If people can’t at least submit an ERR, they aren’t THAT desperate to move. HR screws shit up all the time, at least give yourself the chance.
PlasticBag12
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I’d like to see stats on people leaving to get high 3 and then returning to a lower level. I’d imagine that it is a pretty low percentage based on the wide discrepancy of the pay bands. Somebody at a level 12 for 4-5 years probably won’t go max out at a level 4-5 for the rest of their career for ease of work. Especially after establishing a life where they made the most money.
I agree it’s not that hard to file and follow up with updated paperwork. Especially after you have filed your first one. It’s just updating facilities/dates/certification times. I have filed many even though we never had the staffing to release. But the simple fact that the facility does not have the numbers to release deters people from even putting in the effort. HR does screw shit up, but would that work out for the controller, or would they just revoke the offer…especially when the release is from a short staffed facility.
It would be beneficial to NATCA and the agency to see the true number of bodies that want to move. But I think for that to happen, an easier process needs to be put forward to allow people to show their wants. Faxing (it’s 2025 why TF are we faxing anything) or emailing ERR packages is cumbersome and time consuming. These are often 20+ pages of paperwork. If you could log into a website and select from a checklist where you would like to ERR to, much more people would do so.
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Submission date has no bearing on who is selected. It all comes down to manager's rankings on the panel. The only time submission date is used as a tiebreaker is if 2 people from the same facility both get selected to go to the same facility on the same panel, then the person who submitted first gets the earlier release date.
