Jayyy Jayyy said:The obvious solution for this is to penalize declinations, but they refuse to do that.
Why don’t they just pick alternates. It’s not that hard
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#142 Move78 said:
We will complain that we can’t get our ERR to Denver Tower and we will also complain about a new vacancy at Denver Tower
Who’s complaining about a new vacancy and DEN tower? Hell before you know it the agency will look at the dozens of ERRs for there and probably fill that seat with an academy grad with the way you NATCA butt-buddies “collaborate.” 🤡
Move78 said:
There’s certainly too much toxic bullshit out there with controllers complaining about what others do with their careers but my god what a fucking choke slam for all those out there that desperately want just one of those opportunities.
You mean like someone who’s been at a somewhat desirable facility like MCI, went to fucking Denver tower of all places and is going back to MCI? 🤡
There’s WAY too many people stuck at low level shithole up/downs (that NATCA couldn’t give less of a fuck about) that would about kill for an opportunity to just enter training at places like that for this to make sense. There is no way you can articulate to me that that kind of facility hopscotch is fair and equitable.
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#143 SquawkHijack said:
Who’s complaining about a new vacancy and DEN tower? Hell before you know it the agency will look at the dozens of ERRs for there and probably fill that seat with an academy grad with the way you NATCA butt-buddies “collaborate.” 🤡
Read your own post
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#144 Anyone know where to find the most recent Manager Rankings from this NCEPT? Like is it posted anywhere?
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#145 SquawkHijack said:
You mean like someone who’s been at a somewhat desirable facility like MCI, went to fucking Denver tower of all places and is going back to MCI? 🤡
There’s WAY too many people stuck at low level shithole up/downs (that NATCA couldn’t give less of a fuck about) that would about kill for an opportunity to just enter training at places like that for this to make sense. There is no way you can articulate to me that that kind of facility hopscotch is fair and equitable.
Desirable is completely subjective but MCI is the 46th most requested facility.
You’d complain about a wet dream.
Which ERR would you stop? And why are you advocating to stop ERRs? If you want to go to DEN you should call the MCI controller and thank her for giving that spot up.
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#146 taranbarnes3 said:
Anyone know where to find the most recent Manager Rankings from this NCEPT? Like is it posted anywhere?
It is not posted anywhere that a normal CPC can find it. You have to submit a FOIA request and then six months from now you'll finally be provided a redacted version.
People who do that often come back and post them to the relevant NCEPT thread here, because they're nice.
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#147 Termine said:
It is not posted anywhere that a normal CPC can find it. You have to submit a FOIA request and then six months from now you'll finally be provided a redacted version.
People who do that often come back and post them to the relevant NCEPT thread here, because they're nice.
Ohhhh ok, I gotcha. Thank you for that. That’s why I couldn’t find it anywhere lol
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#148 Damn, I for sure thought my severely understaffed level 8 was gonna release me this round.
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#149 Move78 said:
Read your own post
Congratulations, you just graduated Sarcasm 101
Move78 said:
Desirable is completely subjective but MCI is the 46th most requested facility.
You’d complain about a wet dream.
Which ERR would you stop? And why are you advocating to stop ERRs? If you want to go to DEN you should call the MCI controller and thank her for giving that spot up.
And the declination king that guy was taking about is a completely different scenario but your brain doesn’t work so you missed it.You’re grasping at straws now. I never said we should stop ERRs. I do think we should rethink the NCEPT SOP and change things to be more fair and equitable for others to have a better shot at other facilities in general.
And I wasn’t even talking about or implicated the declination king guy going to IAH so not sure why that was brought up.
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#150 If you got rid of NCEPT the FAA would be forced to pay for bids to people to go places like they used to. Move money bonuses. Term positions. We have zero leverage by agreeing to NCEPT. Return transferring to the free market!
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#151 SquawkHijack said:
You’re grasping at straws now. I never said we should stop ERRs.
You’re telling on yourself by complaining about the MCI move. If it bothers you so much you should call your RVP and tell them that we, the dipshit internet trolls, want more restrictions on movement. And although the data shows the exact opposite what we think the BU really needs is less vacancies at the high towers.
SquawkHijack said:
I do think we should rethink the NCEPT SOP and change things to be more fair and equitable for others to have a better shot at other facilities in general.
That’s National Release Policy not NCEPT. The NCEPT SOP allowed green controllers to go to almost the entire NAS. 91% of facilities had picks.
SquawkHijack said:
And I wasn’t even talking about or implicated the declination king guy going to IAH so not sure why that was brought up.
You replied to my post about that specific subject. That’s how replies work.
32andBelow said:
Why don’t they just pick alternates. It’s not that hard
It’s worse than hard it’s impossible. The release policy prevents it.
32andBelow said:
If you got rid of NCEPT the FAA would be forced to pay for bids to people to go places like they used to. Move money bonuses. Term positions. We have zero leverage by agreeing to NCEPT. Return transferring to the free market!
The Agency hates the C90/N90 bids. Anything like that has to be negotiated and it’s not easy. They don’t want more of them. The easy way is to just spam new hires at it.
If you’re a heartless careerist at HQ a great way to make a name for yourself would be to kill all movements and just fill every vacancy with a new hire. And if they ever fix the OKC disaster it’ll be easier to pull off -
#152 There shoukd be no NCEPT you should just be able to apply for stuff. Just like sups do. And sups are moving and getting move money. We are 🤡 offering them NCEPT. Make the regions and ATMs compete for us not us begging to move
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#153 Move78 said:
You’re telling on yourself by complaining about the MCI move. If it bothers you so much you should call your RVP and tell them that we, the dipshit internet trolls, want more restrictions on movement. And although the data shows the exact opposite what we think the BU really needs is less vacancies at the high towers.
That’s National Release Policy not NCEPT. The NCEPT SOP allowed green controllers to go to almost the entire NAS. 91% of facilities had picks.
You replied to my post about that specific subject. That’s how replies work.
Funny, it’s always people like you at a high level Z or core 30 and coincidentally a NATCA rep that have a problem with opinions of those who would actually like to make things better…
And the NCEPT SOP is what lays out all of this, including the NRP’s application. Sure, the NRP itself is what explains explicitly what the current policy is, but I believe change(s) to make NCEPT more fair and equitable would happen in the SOP itself to promote movement across more facilities, not just those with good staffing. That wouldn’t be via the NRP.
I didn’t reply to anything you said even remotely close to that subject bro. Jesus, you have the debating skills of a third grader. Cry harder.
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#154 32andBelow said:
There shoukd be no NCEPT you should just be able to apply for stuff. Just like sups do. And sups are moving and getting move money. We are 🤡 offering them NCEPT. Make the regions and ATMs compete for us not us begging to move
Well management has that luxury because all their jobs are expendable. You could Thanos every soup in America tomorrow and there’s not a pilot that would notice.
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#155 Move78 said:
Well management has that luxury because all their jobs are expendable. You could Thanos every soup in America tomorrow and there’s not a pilot that would notice.
And again you’re mistaking NCEPT for the NRP. You could also kill NCEPT tomorrow and it wouldn’t do anything you’re talking about.Ok I obviously mean redoing the whole thing.
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#156 Acquired Taste said:
Submission date has no bearing on who is selected. It all comes down to manager's rankings on the panel. The only time submission date is used as a tiebreaker is if 2 people from the same facility both get selected to go to the same facility on the same panel, then the person who submitted first gets the earlier release date.
it should be seniority not submission date...
Whether we keep NCEPT or something else is whatever. I'm not sure there's a good answer. But the ERR application process is incredibly antiquated and stupid. If while working at Walmart you can go on the computer behind the firewall and update your employee profile, click a drop down to select all the specific Walmart locations you'd like to transfer to, and hit submit, then why can't we? The website could auto filter to the appropriate HR person depending on the region and done. Same with USAjobs posting for INTRAagency transfers. Why do I need to send an 11 page resume that USAjobs built? I already work for you!
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#157 Jay-Jay Jet Plane said:
Whether we keep NCEPT or something else is whatever. I'm not sure there's a good answer. But the ERR application process is incredibly antiquated and stupid. If while working at Walmart you can go on the computer behind the firewall and update your employee profile, click a drop down to select all the specific Walmart locations you'd like to transfer to, and hit submit, then why can't we? The website could auto filter to the appropriate HR person depending on the region and done. Same with USAjobs posting for INTRAagency transfers. Why do I need to send an 11 page resume that USAjobs built? I already work for you!
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You can on USA jobs. Why are we being blocked from openings we qualify for.
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#158 32andBelow said:
You can on USA jobs. Why are we being blocked from openings we qualify for.
What do you mean "you can on USA Jobs?"
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#159 Jay-Jay Jet Plane said:
What do you mean "you can on USA Jobs?"
On USA jobs there are ATC jobs that you can’t apply for because we have to follow stupid NCEPT.
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#160 Jay-Jay Jet Plane said:
Whether we keep NCEPT or something else is whatever. I'm not sure there's a good answer. But the ERR application process is incredibly antiquated and stupid. If while working at Walmart you can go on the computer behind the firewall and update your employee profile, click a drop down to select all the specific Walmart locations you'd like to transfer to, and hit submit, then why can't we? The website could auto filter to the appropriate HR person depending on the region and done. Same with USAjobs posting for INTRAagency transfers. Why do I need to send an 11 page resume that USAjobs built? I already work for you!
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The NCEPT process is burdensome because NCEPT doesn't benefit the agency, therefore there is no incentive for them to make it easier to use.