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I've always heard that working routine moderate traffic under general supervision is the benchmark for certification. Is there any truth to this?
I don't think it's written anywhere but this has generally been the guideline. The caveat is a supe can't repeatedly give you a check ride and deny certification if traffic levels aren't what they want them to be.I've always heard that working routine moderate traffic under general supervision is the benchmark for certification. Is there any truth to this?
That is the literal written guideline but no, it is not true that you will be certified when you can do this (at least in 98% of places). Old school trainers and sups (and even a lot of new ones) will need to see you work heavy and complex traffic completely independently before they recommend and certify you. It’s one of the biggest problems in the agency and probably the biggest roadblock that slows down the training process.I've always heard that working routine moderate traffic under general supervision is the benchmark for certification. Is there any truth to this?
Last year while I was training, 3 recommendations later, and several weeks between each recommendation, and after a 2 hour check ride that every CPC said they had never seen it that busy ever, and my sup saying I did nothing wrong procedurally and never compromised safety, I was told no certification 😂. The guy who got certified a month and a half before me had a 5th the traffic and 30 min on position(2) After the certification skill check, the employee’s FLM/STMC must consider the following items prior to taking the appropriate action:
(a) The developmental’s/CPC-IT’s/TMC-IT’s/FPL-IT’s performance during OJT.
(b) The performance demonstrated during the certification skill check session.
(c) The recommendation(s) resulting from the certification skill check session.
(d) Input from other training team members.
this is all the national training order says about the benchmark for certification. everything else is unwritten and through "Past Practices" of the agency. Yes they absolutely cannot repeatedly say traffic isnt what they want especially if your training history is good and recommendations are strong. but if your training is spotty and recommendations are weak or non existent, they can say with good justification that overall you haven't demonstrated the ability, even if on moderate traffic that is handled well during the cert ride. also, OJTIs basically do they same thing at many facilities, they don't recommend because they haven't seen you work the traffic they used to work or whatever crap they say. so why would a manager go against the training team when your coworkers don't say without a doubt that they want to work beside you?
Did someone’s post get deleted? Who called you a terrible person?Well, I had 40+ trainees over 30 years and every single one made it and I'm very proud of that. Most moved on to much busier facilities, checked out and are thriving. I'm proud of them all, thanks for calling me a terrible person. My retirement is enjoyable and well earned.
Maybe you need to start putting your mouth to workTrust me, even after multiple violations of the Training Order (i.e. no skills checks, no training for an entire calendar month, etc...), they won't backdate your certification. It would also help to have a FacRep who isnt a complete scumbag, but that's a story for another time ❤