Eugene Freedman, World Class Dope

jdatc said:
It’s certainly unfortunate to see this.

What happens if we get to the table and the agency throws this back in our face?

Unless…. We aren’t going to get to the table. 🤔
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I was just thinking about that today actually. This sets a HORRIBLE precedent for the FAA to say, “we don’t wish to entertain negotiations for a slate book pay increase of any kind. Your own organization even said it’s not needed.” And to think Nick had the audacity to throw that “day one pay MOU” carrot out in front of us all…
 
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Logical_Mongoose said:
Voting ends at 8pm EST today (12/17).

I'm personally worried there are enough Light Blue Book people and non-SSS Purple Book people that it will pass.

It's pretty clear that the biggest enemy of NATCA BUEs are those in charge of NATCA at the national level. We have a "special counsel" to the president that is being paid from dues money telling everyone that we are paid enough and to not worry about raises. We have a contract bargaining team that thought it was more important to negotiate telework and training instead of pay with this current negotiation. And we have a national office staff where there are 11 people in Public Relations - 3 of which are "deputy directors" to the main PR director - that can barely manage & engage on their social media accounts.


P.S. His last name if "Freedman" if you'd like to correct that; just to make it easily searchable in on here for future reference.
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To top it off, all these public relations and people still have no clue what we do. So much for engaging the public on our behalf.
 
Shikaka said:
To top it off, all these public relations and people still have no clue what we do. So much for engaging the public on our behalf.
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NATCA needs to be decertified and abolished at this point. Every current employee needs to be fired. And every current leader above the facrep level needs to be banned for life from serving in whatever labor union succeeds NATCA.

It has become abundantly clear over the past few years that this union does NOT have the best interest of the workforce in mind. The presentation on pay should be the final straw. It’s out of touch, gaslighting in its purest form, and downright insulting. They are quite literally saying every controller that wants a raise is stupid.

NATCA has becoming nothing more than a self serving leech to the workforce. All these “leaders” care about is themselves and the status quo for them and their friends.

Fuck these scamming idiots.
 
ClearanceClarence said:
NATCA needs to be decertified and abolished at this point. Every current employee needs to be fired. And every current leader above the facrep level needs to be banned for life from serving in whatever labor union succeeds NATCA.

It has become abundantly clear over the past few years that this union does NOT have the best interest of the workforce in mind. The presentation on pay should be the final straw. It’s out of touch, gaslighting in its purest form, and downright insulting. They are quite literally saying every controller that wants a raise is stupid.

NATCA has becoming nothing more than a self serving leech to the workforce. All these “leaders” care about is themselves and the status quo for them and their friends.

Fuck these scamming idiots.
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Make sure to cross post on /atc2 for your extra tears.
 
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CoffeeIV said:
At least we got 5% more to train. /s
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Yeah in preparation for 5 years of “maximum hiring” with zero expansion for academy capacity in the works … /:

Ngl NATCA shoots some pretty dumb fucking shots these days. We can’t even blame FAA HR for that one in particular. They’ve exceeded OTS hiring goals a few years in a row now since the wheels started turning post Covid.
 
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I made a budget breakdown comparing expenses from 2021 vs 2024. I used a mix of my own personal finances/estimates I looked up so that it would be (in my opinion) pretty average for controllers. The mortgage which is the most significant change is based on what I actually bought my house for vs what my neighbors house sold for this year. I stuck with expenses that are more or less “needs”. Higher salary doesn’t change the picture much. Neither does additional expenses. Neither does factoring in my spouses salary.

If I made all the same financial decisions 3 years later than what I made them I might not be able to afford my life. Count me lucky. How many of my colleagues didn’t get lucky? As a lucky one - I’m pretty much financially trapped. If I wanted to grow my family and needed a bigger house, my financial situation would get substantially worse, despite my raises. If I was somehow able to NCEPT to a place to make more money, best I could hope for would be an EQUIVALENT financial situation to what I’m in now but odds are … it would get worse.

NATCA can throw up whatever charts and “data driven analysis” they want but this budget, the bills that their members have to pay every single month is rooted in reality. And to be honest I think my estimates are low. It would take a raise somewhere between 15-20% to get the buying power of 2024 to match 2021.

I really do try to give them the benefit of the doubt, but trying to convince us our pay has outpaced inflation is literally insane.

Edited to add: I forgot to label the last column after “total expenses” as the surplus/lack thereof.
 
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ZuluZulu said:
NATCA can throw up whatever charts and “data driven analysis” they want but this budget, the bills that their members have to pay every single month is rooted in reality. And to be honest I think my estimates are low. It would take a raise somewhere between 15-20% to get the buying power of 2024 to match 2021.
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I can’t emphasize this point enough. Instead of trying to empathize with the people paying money for them to afford ATX, they make a presentation explaining why what we’re seeing and feeling isn’t real. “Don’t trust your eyes or your bank account, you’re doing just fine” is the most tone deaf thing I’ve ever seen out of a union.
 
If anyone is interested in how our pay has actually kept up over the years here are some numbers (from 2015-2024 since I couldn't find the 2017 pay scale):

2015 base lvl 4 no locality= $49,174
2024 base lvl 4 no locality= $59,535 (+21%)

2015 base lvl 12 no locality= $105,753
2024 base lvl 12 no locality= $128,035 (+21%)

2015 base lvl 4 HOU locality (28.71%)= $63,292
2024 base lvl 4 HOU locality (34.72%)= $80,206 (+21%)

2015 base lvl 12 HOU locality (28.71%)= $136,115
2024 base lvl 12 HOU locality (34.72%)= $172,489 (+27%)


Now maybe my math is off.... But the 27% increase in pay is the largest I found and that was over a 10 year period from 2015 not the 8 year period that they are claiming we got 41%.

NATCA is high
 
Gauff said:
If anyone is interested in how our pay has actually kept up over the years here are some numbers (from 2015-2024 since I couldn't find the 2017 pay scale):

2015 base lvl 4 no locality= $49,174
2024 base lvl 4 no locality= $59,535 (+21%)

2015 base lvl 12 no locality= $105,753
2024 base lvl 12 no locality= $128,035 (+21%)

2015 base lvl 4 HOU locality (28.71%)= $63,292
2024 base lvl 4 HOU locality (34.72%)= $80,206 (+21%)

2015 base lvl 12 HOU locality (28.71%)= $136,115
2024 base lvl 12 HOU locality (34.72%)= $172,489 (+27%)


Now maybe my math is off.... But the 27% increase in pay is the largest I found and that was over a 10 year period from 2015 not the 8 year period that they are claiming we got 41%.

NATCA is high
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You left out 10 compiling 1.6s
 
Gauff said:
If anyone is interested in how our pay has actually kept up over the years here are some numbers (from 2015-2024 since I couldn't find the 2017 pay scale):

2015 base lvl 4 no locality= $49,174
2024 base lvl 4 no locality= $59,535 (+21%)

2015 base lvl 12 no locality= $105,753
2024 base lvl 12 no locality= $128,035 (+21%)

2015 base lvl 4 HOU locality (28.71%)= $63,292
2024 base lvl 4 HOU locality (34.72%)= $80,206 (+21%)

2015 base lvl 12 HOU locality (28.71%)= $136,115
2024 base lvl 12 HOU locality (34.72%)= $172,489 (+27%)


Now maybe my math is off.... But the 27% increase in pay is the largest I found and that was over a 10 year period from 2015 not the 8 year period that they are claiming we got 41%.

NATCA is high
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Move78 said:
You left out 10 compiling 1.6s
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An employee starting back in 2015 vs an employee starting in 2024. The 1.6 is an essential step increase but worse since you lose all those if you want any career progression. When Delta says they get 34% over x amount of years they are not including their longevity/step increases (also they don't lose step raises for transferring fleet or promoting to captain). If I did the math with the band max it would be roughly the same percentage.

Our career field has only seen an increase of 21% over the last 10 years and NATCA is trying to sell us that it's increased 41%

SquawkHijack said:
I’m posting a poll thread on decertifying NATCA pending approval of the Mods.
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I'd be curious what's required for a recall vote on Nick or vote of no confidence. It'd be easier than decertifying
 
nab said:
Who exactly is Eugene Freedman???
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Needle dicked attorney for NATCA and the NATCA President.
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Fuck this guy, people should have pelted him with rotten vegetables and fruit at him and booed so loud he couldn't even speak
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It was 80% cucks who went to ATX, almost all the rest were new kids at their first NATCA event who don’t know any better yet how much they are getting fucked.
 
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