FAA controller hired with Air Services Australia

Next I will be looking into NAV CANADA. This is based on their CBA that expired in 2023 but their new CBA, if it was ratified (can't find a copy but did find where they send out proposals) looks like it just builds on the previous one.

First big one is the schedule. They average 34 hour work weeks over 56 day periods. A typical schedule on a 34on/22off shift cycle looks like 5 days on 3 days off for six 8 day cycles that finishes off with one 4 day on, 4 day off cycle. Sounds pretty sweet. They also have a 17on/11off cycle is similar. They could run something like 6 on 4 off twice, followed by 5 on 3 off to round out a 28 day cycle. The one notable clause included in the 17/11 cycle vs the 34/22 is that on the 17/11, your schedule shall include a minimum of 13 weekends (Saturday and Sunday together) scheduled off ever 12 month period.

Overtime: Double pay
Holiday pay: only 1.5x your hourly but on April 1st each year, you get credited with 88 hours of lieu leave to be used as annual.

FAM flights: After 3 years CPC, you can take 1 international FAM flight every 6 years to check out how they work ATC overseas in either Honolulu, London, Paris, Frankfurt, or Amsterdam. Travel costs for 2 nights/3 days are picked up by the agency and the employee gets duty time as well.

They get to from the bottom of the cpc band to the top in 10 years. Same with Austraila.
 
Mike Kilo said:
3 years to apply for permanent residency I think it was.
You must get your own private health insurance until a permanent resident.
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Considering how many critters can kill you over there I’d set the OOF size on large

JMan1997 said:
Why isn’t the FAA doing the same thing as Australia to fill 5-7’s?
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Because it’s ran by fucking retards that address themselves as managers.
 
JMan1997 said:
Why isn’t the FAA doing the same thing as Australia to fill 5-7’s
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Mike Kilo said:
If you are at an 9 or lower it would be a much easier call to make.

Pay is based on experience (time). Doesn’t matter where you work like it does here (except Sydney gets like $1,800 extra per year)

36 hour work week. Or 3 day weekend every other week.

5 weeks of leave with the ability to earn up to 7 by working outside of normal shift hours (guessing mids).

Overtime cannot be forced.

Citizenship is the main draw I think. Make a real go of it. 3 years to apply for permanent residency I think it was.

They have sabbatical programs to reduce pay for a while and take 3,6,9,12 months off but are short so it supposedly doesn’t get approved.

Ability to maybe transfer after a few years. No pay change so probably rare. All of a sudden small towers in BFE might be a nice way to go out.

Cons:

Pay is lower than our high level facilities. $137,000 usd.

You must get your own private health insurance until a permanent resident.

Pretty high taxes I believe I read.

No return home flights paid for.

No housing allowance.
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These work rules make our contract look comically bad. The pay 137k is on par or better than US considering Sydney is about as busy as a level 8.
 
Acquired Taste said:
Next I will be looking into NAV CANADA. This is based on their CBA that expired in 2023 but their new CBA, if it was ratified (can't find a copy but did find where they send out proposals) looks like it just builds on the previous one.

First big one is the schedule. They average 34 hour work weeks over 56 day periods. A typical schedule on a 34on/22off shift cycle looks like 5 days on 3 days off for six 8 day cycles that finishes off with one 4 day on, 4 day off cycle. Sounds pretty sweet. They also have a 17on/11off cycle is similar. They could run something like 6 on 4 off twice, followed by 5 on 3 off to round out a 28 day cycle. The one notable clause included in the 17/11 cycle vs the 34/22 is that on the 17/11, your schedule shall include a minimum of 13 weekends (Saturday and Sunday together) scheduled off ever 12 month period.

Overtime: Double pay
Holiday pay: only 1.5x your hourly but on April 1st each year, you get credited with 88 hours of lieu leave to be used as annual.

FAM flights: After 3 years CPC, you can take 1 international FAM flight every 6 years to check out how they work ATC overseas in either Honolulu, London, Paris, Frankfurt, or Amsterdam. Travel costs for 2 nights/3 days are picked up by the agency and the employee gets duty time as well.

They get to from the bottom of the cpc band to the top in 10 years. Same with Austraila.
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Is there a reason you outlined canada? There's currently no pathway to becoming a Canada ATC from the FAA/US, right?
 
Lots of people talking about the pay over there and conveniently leaving out that generally cost of living is much, much lower in Australia. Seems like a great gig i would apply if it was not for family.
 
VikingsFan85 said:
Lots of people talking about the pay over there and conveniently leaving out that generally cost of living is much, much lower in Australia. Seems like a great gig i would apply if it was not for family.
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What? Australian housing is super expensive
 
VikingsFan85 said:
Lots of people talking about the pay over there and conveniently leaving out that generally cost of living is much, much lower in Australia. Seems like a great gig i would apply if it was not for family.
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Maybe in the Outback, but not anywhere people live in a density of more than .5/sqkm
 

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