Smells like BITCH in here
Facility Downgrades / Upgrades
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#1122 Right now in class D airspace, local operations and itinerants count for the same amount. I think an easy adjustment to more accurately reflect the work involved is to weight VFR itinerant operations much higher to reflect the work involved in sequencing.
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#1123 Did anybody attend the NVT webinar on Wednesday? What did that entail?
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#1124 nab said:
Did anybody attend the NVT webinar on Wednesday? What did that entail?
It wasn't anything new as far as I could tell.
It was a good briefing for a union member with 0 knowledge of NVT.They explained the history of the NVT, their current roster, and the scope of what the NVT is and is not responsible for.
They "enforce the standard". The formula goes back to the 1998 reclass and has been carried through mostly "as-is" since.They can receive proposals for changes but they don't really have any agency to enact said changes.
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#1125 TCI Formula is garbage
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#1126 A11 - 8 -> 9
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#1127 Viceversa said:
A11 - 8 -> 9
That’s been needed for some time! An OS of mine was a controller at A11 and said they’ve been above the buffer forever.
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#1128 SquawkHijack said:
That’s been needed for some time! An OS of mine was a controller at A11 and said they’ve been above the buffer forever.
You get back pay so doesn’t matter
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#1129 boots said:
You get back pay so doesn’t matter
That’s what they said when they shut down the government and we all didn’t get paychecks. That’s a ******** take and you should be bullied for it.
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#1130 VRB is above the line for level 8. Just has to hold, but going into the busy season, should be able to.
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#1131 LikeLemon said:
VRB is above the line for level 8. Just has to hold, but going into the busy season, should be able to.
It’s a year long rolling average. Busy season doesn’t matter. Holding compared to last season is what matters.
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#1132 22papa said:
It’s a year long rolling average. Busy season doesn’t matter. Holding compared to last season is what matters.
It’s just 3 months above the current band for an upgrade before it gets looked at. It’s not a rolling average…
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#1133 Dousand24 said:
It’s just 3 months above the current band for an upgrade before it gets looked at. It’s not a rolling average…
Your current TCI number is based on 12 months. August 1, 2023- September 30, 2024 gives you your September TCI number. If you want your TCI to go up then you better hope this October is busier than last October.
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#1134 Dousand24 said:
It’s just 3 months above the current band for an upgrade before it gets looked at. It’s not a rolling average…
This is incorrect. Your conflating 2 different things
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#1135 Soul_Controller said:
Your current TCI number is based on 12 months. August 1, 2023- September 30, 2024 gives you your September TCI number. If you want your TCI to go up then you better hope this October is busier than last October.
Correct, that’s how the TCI moves but it’s a 3 month above the band that gets you looked at for an upgrade.
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#1136 I've only worked at 12s so not familiar with the upgrade process, but does back pay include interest? Or something to account for the lost time value of the money?
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#1137 RalphBeast said:
I've only worked at 12s so not familiar with the upgrade process, but does back pay include interest? Or something to account for the lost time value of the money?

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#1138 RalphBeast said:
I've only worked at 12s so not familiar with the upgrade process, but does back pay include interest? Or something to account for the lost time value of the money?
Weird flex but okay
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#1139 RalphBeast said:
I've only worked at 12s so not familiar with the upgrade process, but does back pay include interest? Or something to account for the lost time value of the money?
Having gone through an upgrade before, (and staring down the barrel of another), LOL no there is no interest calculation on the back pay. I'm just thankful we get it at all in the first place.
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#1140 flying_dutchman said:
Weird flex but okay
You realize this covers pretty much most enroute CPCs? Not exactly a rarity or a flex.
tylertrend said:
Having gone through an upgrade before, (and staring down the barrel of another), LOL no there is no interest calculation on the back pay. I'm just thankful we get it at all in the first place.
Damn that blows. With CDs paying 5%+ and high inflation, a back-pay lump sum is basically a stealth paycut. FFS even the fucking IRS starts paying you interest if it takes them more than 45 days to process your refund.
The guy above saying "you get back pay it doesn't matter"... broski... ECON 101 man.