So you call out someone who gave an accurate description saying “that wasn’t the original intent of CIP” but when someone asks you what WAS the original intent, you deflect. Your bullshit around here is fucking ridiculous. Fuck you and your “bRoThErs.” People like you are what’s ruined the union and this career.
So you call out someone who gave an accurate description saying “that wasn’t the original intent of CIP” but when someone asks you what WAS the original intent, you deflect. Your bullshit around here is fucking ridiculous. Fuck you and your “bRoThErs.” People like you are what’s ruined the union and this career.
Someone said something about it being to attract transfers. That wasn’t the original intent, maybe that’s the intent now. I’m not really sure. What about that makes you so angry?
Good for those facs! LAS & L30 should join them from 11 to 12, I believe they’ve both been over the threshold for some time. Among ZJX and a few others in the same boat.
PHL has never touched level 12 on the TCI, yet they were upgraded immediately when they absorbed N90 Newark sector. Yet, when smaller facilities absorb additional radar sectors, they need to build years of data to maybe see an upgrade... interesting
Someone said something about it being to attract transfers. That wasn’t the original intent, maybe that’s the intent now. I’m not really sure. What about that makes you so angry?
You saying that it wasn't the original intent implies that you know what the original intent was, and when someone asked you told them to ask their RVP. When you said they should ask their RVP that implies that you don't actually know what the intent was and you were just spouting off.
Idk what CIP was intended for and would like to know but I'm also not gonna waste my time asking around cause I really just don't care enough about that. So if you do know it would be cool to hear it
NATCA looking out for their handful of preferred facilities and ignoring everyone else.
Does it really take a whole TCI panel to see that 2 11’s, a 9, 2 5’s and whatever satellites PHL has would become a 12 when combined into one facility? This just shortened the time for back pay.
CIP is irrelevant when they negotiated a transfer program where everyone just begs to transfer for free.
There’s a lot of black holes that would be happy to get CIP. Just because people are begging to transfer for free (that’s a placement issue) doesn’t mean NATCA couldn’t redo the list.
If a facility has 50 ERR’s into it they don’t need CIP….DEN.
Believe CIP had its roots "Pay Demo" from earlier contracts. Here's Cliff notes I made from the NATCA book "Into the wind"
8/1/1993
4 year contract ratified. Like PATCO, NATCA found ways to increase pay since pay negotiations weren't legally negotiable.
In addition to the congressionally mandated 5 percent operational differential that The union built into its latest contract, about 2,100 controllers enjoyed a 20 percent bonus as part of a five-year Pay Demonstration Project.
"Pay Demo" - The premium was designed to attract and retain controllers at hard-to-staff facilities known in the profession as “The Magnificent Seven:” Chicago Center; O’Hare Tower/TRACON; New York Center and TRACON; Los Angeles Tower/TRACON; Coast TRACON in Santa Ana; and Bay TRACON in Northern California.
Flight Standards district offices in Los Angeles, Teterboro, New Jersey, and Farmingdale and Valley Stream, New York, also received the bonus.
Rename it Currency Incentive Pay and take it nationwide.
One of the best things they could do along with other differentials. If they can’t raise our base with the extended contract then add a bunch of extras. Make the people working the room everyday earn 50% more. That’ll push more people away from staff jobs, A114, intentionally losing medicals, etc and make breaks and leave better for the people actually working.
Does it really take a whole TCI panel to see that 2 11’s, a 9, 2 5’s and whatever satellites PHL has would become a 12 when combined into one facility? This just shortened the time for back pay.
Yes it definitely does because that concept very much doesn’t guarantee 12. In PHLs case it’ll definitely be a 12. And they’ll get that bump earlier than the rest of the country would have because the rest of the country are fucking losers who don’t deserve the special treatment that Eastern always carves out for itself.
LAS/L30 have not been above the threshold for some time. Zs don’t have a valid TCI value until ABACUS is done
I mean, I get that but ZJX is ranked number 3 when you look at raw total annual traffic. However the agency and NATCA choose to digest the data and interpret it to an upgrade is what it is, but I guess we’ll wait for ABACUS to conclude.
And I toured LAS and L30 in 2023 and both their facrep(s) and several sups had said they had been above the buffer. Not pointing fingers but there’s conflicting info about them then.
I mean, I get that but ZJX is ranked number 3 when you look at raw total annual traffic. However the agency and NATCA choose to digest the data and data interpret it to an upgrade is what it is, but I guess we’ll wait for ABACUS to conclude.
Raw traffic is only part of a formula that dictates facility pay level. They’re definitely probably getting screwed. If they were eastern this shit woulda got fixed long ago. I was just pointing out your post was wrong information.
And I toured LAS and L30 in 2023 and both their facrep(s) and several sups had said they had been above the buffer. Not pointing fingers but there’s conflicting info about them then.
The buffer is not relevant for upgrades and sewing circle rumors from the locals are not relevant for anything.
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