SquawkHijack said:Oh I do, it’s just neither party has historically done what DOD4Life is saying with appropriations for a myriad of reasons, changing majorities being the biggest.
Cus they used to actually negotiate. Now if anyone gets any wins they can’t have that
+TSRA said:Anybody notice some of the reasons (lies) posted on the public FAA delay website?
This morning it said BUF due to deicing. It was clear & 55 degrees. A few days ago it said volume for CVG. Trying to hide something?
SquawkHijack said:Oh I do, it’s just neither party has historically done what DOD4Life is saying with appropriations for a myriad of reasons, changing majorities being the biggest.
And, for many years, neither party had eliminated the filibuster for Supreme Court justices, for a myriad of reasons, until they did. Yes, there’s a first time for everything. The filibuster has continued to get eliminated for various issues over time. Why should appropriations be the one and only thing that it should NEVER get eliminated for? I know all the tropes before you cite them (protects the rights of the party in the minority, forces the majority to negotiate & compromise with the minority, etc.). Well, guess what, we’re watching in real time that those are tropes as the majority is not negotiating & compromising with the minority while we suffer.
DOD4Life said:And, for many years, neither party had eliminated the filibuster for Supreme Court justices, for a myriad of reasons, until they did. Yes, there’s a first time for everything. The filibuster has continued to get eliminated for various issues over time. Why should appropriations be the one and only thing that it should NEVER get eliminated for? I know all the tropes before you cite them (protects the rights of the party in the minority, forces the majority to negotiate & compromise with the minority, etc.). Well, guess what, we’re watching in real time that those are tropes as the majority is not negotiating & compromising with the minority while we suffer.
And there’s nothing to negotiate atm. It’s really not trivial, let’s fund the government and THEN negotiate whatever we need to, whether it be for illegal aliens (new dem voters) or the American people.
And as I’ve said several times prior, eliminating a filibuster for appropriations can result in probably some of the most detrimental things that can happen in Congress. Funding the government is the most important and primary task they have and changing the votes for that is dangerous in terms of checks and balances, GOP isn’t just looking out for themselves with that. They want to keep things the way they are for future congressional staffs because it’s safest for everyone. Otherwise the majority party will have control and just start tossing money wherever they want. Kind of like how Biden/Kamala did under their own authority and without congress.
SquawkHijack said:And there’s nothing to negotiate atm. It’s really not trivial, let’s fund the government and THEN negotiate whatever we need to, whether it be for illegal aliens (new dem voters) or the American people.
And as I’ve said several times prior, eliminating a filibuster for appropriations can result in probably some of the most detrimental things that can happen in Congress. Funding the government is the most important and primary task they have and changing the votes for that is dangerous in terms of checks and balances, GOP isn’t just looking out for themselves with that. They want to keep things the way they are for future congressional staffs because it’s safest for everyone. Otherwise the majority party will have control and just start tossing money wherever they want. Kind of like how Biden/Kamala did under their own authority and without congress.
They didn’t agree to negotiate after the last cr. Why should anyone trust they would after this one?
32andBelow said:They didn’t agree to negotiate after the last cr. Why should anyone trust they would after this one?
After dismantling other bargaining units, stating they want federal employees to suffer, doge, firing a bunch of feds... Duffy said he couldn't help us since we rushed a contract through. Nick said he had a plan for a day one pay raise.
I think the problem is all the smooth brained controllers getting worked up over a quip. If I see any actions-
significant time off awards for service while being delayed pay, cash awards, management sponsored food (im easy what can I say)
I'd be willing to say it's more than stirring the pot. Until I see any good faith signs that we matter more than equipment, that our job is more important than some others....Just don't listen to whatever they're saying.
SquawkHijack said:And there’s nothing to negotiate atm. It’s really not trivial, let’s fund the government and THEN negotiate whatever we need to, whether it be for illegal aliens (new dem voters) or the American people.
And as I’ve said several times prior, eliminating a filibuster for appropriations can result in probably some of the most detrimental things that can happen in Congress. Funding the government is the most important and primary task they have and changing the votes for that is dangerous in terms of checks and balances, GOP isn’t just looking out for themselves with that. They want to keep things the way they are for future congressional staffs because it’s safest for everyone. Otherwise the majority party will have control and just start tossing money wherever they want. Kind of like how Biden/Kamala did under their own authority and without congress.
I don’t know what you mean when you say “there’s nothing to negotiate atm.” Currently, Republicans have 2 options available to them to fund the government: 1. Eliminate the Filibuster & pass their bill, or 2. Negotiate with Senate Dems & compromise to get 60 votes.
If they decide that eliminating the filibuster is not an option, then they have to compromise to get the additional votes to get to the 60-vote threshold. That *is* the negotiation. Every member of congress can and should put demands on what colleagues must do to earn their votes. This “My Way or The Highway” House & Senate Republicans are trying to pull is clearly not working. I say, either eliminate or negotiate, and do it now.
I’m so glad ATC2 exists so I don’t have to read through shit like this everyday anymore.
DOD4Life said:I don’t know what you mean when you say “there’s nothing to negotiate atm.” Currently, Republicans have 2 options available to them to fund the government: 1. Eliminate the Filibuster & pass their bill, or 2. Negotiate with Senate Dems & compromise to get 60 votes.
If they decide that eliminating the filibuster is not an option, then they have to compromise to get the additional votes to get to the 60-vote threshold. That *is* the negotiation. Every member of congress can and should put demands on what colleagues must do to earn their votes. This “My Way or The Highway” House & Senate Republicans are trying to pull is clearly not working. I say, either eliminate or negotiate, and do it now.
Or the Dems could just have voted to fund the government weeks ago and we could all be negotiating ACA subsidies AS WE SPEAK. This is why you’re a lost cause. Those like you think that because the tv told you that this pork must be negotiated on right now no matter what, you trust that it is so. When in reality this is nothing more than a game of political chicken. You say the GOP is forcing a “my way or the highway” mentality with JUST funding the government when the Dems are doing the exact same thing with subsidies that can be hashed out elsewhere. There’s been a clean CR on the table and the Dems have failed to put their agenda aside, fund the government and re-approach.
The funniest part of all of this, WE are the ones without pay during all of this, not Congress. And here you are grandstanding, just so hard for panderers who you think give a fuck about you or anyone else lol.
DOD4Life said:No, what happened is that you made a ludicrous statement out of pure ignorance in not knowing that this nation actually had an Attorney General get convicted for his crimes in office and sent to prison. You tried to offer the *OPINION* of a right-wing hack to try to claim an AG who committed no crimes was the most corrupt in history. Turley is paid to appear on Fox - the Trump Family Propaganda Channel that employs his own family members - to spew right-wing talking points.
Ahh, another liberal that quotes prominent college professors until someone else does so and it doesn’t fit your narrative. Then they’re a right wing, extremist Marxist xenophobic hack/sellout/nutcase….
Forgive him, for he as well as everyone else certainly knows you’re the only one on the planet who knows anything about everything.
SquawkHijack said:Ahh, another liberal that quotes prominent college professors until someone else does so and it doesn’t fit your narrative. Then they’re a right wing, extremist Marxist xenophobic hack/sellout/nutcase….
Forgive him, for he as well as everyone else certainly knows you’re the only one on the planet who knows anything about everything.
Which college professor did I cite? Go ahead and tell us all. I’m sure you can prove it.
SquawkHijack said:Or the Dems could just have voted to fund the government weeks ago and we could all be negotiating ACA subsidies AS WE SPEAK. This is why you’re a lost cause. Those like you think that because the tv told you that this pork must be negotiated on right now no matter what, you trust that it is so. When in reality this is nothing more than a game of political chicken. You say the GOP is forcing a “my way or the highway” mentality with JUST funding the government when the Dems are doing the exact same thing with subsidies that can be hashed out elsewhere. There’s been a clean CR on the table and the Dems have failed to put their agenda aside, fund the government and re-approach.
The funniest part of all of this, WE are the ones without pay during all of this, not Congress. And here you are grandstanding, just so hard for panderers who you think give a fuck about you or anyone else lol.
You are here with orange dust on your lips from kissing the orange pedophile’s fat ass. This government shutdown was baked in the cake when his felonious ass was elected in 2024. He owns the longest government shutdown in history, he’s been targeting federal employees since Day 1 in his current reign of terror to deliberately “traumatize” us, and the ultimate hallmark of his “management style” is utter chaos. He’s even posted AI videos to his knockoff Twitter account mocking federal employees going without paychecks & bragging about using the shutdown to fire federal employees. Yet, MAGA ATC will defend this POS til the very end: “Thank you, Sir! May I have another?”
https://www.axios.com/2025/10/03/trump-vought-grim-reaper-ai-video
DOD4Life said:You are here with orange dust on your lips from kissing the orange pedophile’s fat ass. This government shutdown was baked in the cake when his felonious ass was elected in 2024. He owns the longest government shutdown in history, he’s been targeting federal employees since Day 1 in his current reign of terror to deliberately “traumatize” us, and the ultimate hallmark of his “management style” is utter chaos. He’s even posted AI videos to his knockoff Twitter account mocking federal employees going without paychecks & bragging about using the shutdown to fire federal employees. Yet, MAGA ATC will defend this POS til the very end: “Thank you, Sir! May I have another?”
https://www.axios.com/2025/10/03/trump-vought-grim-reaper-ai-video
Hey man, Trump isn’t in The Senate where this CR is held up.
AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise said:Hey man, Trump isn’t in The Senate where this CR is held up.
His cult in the House & the Senate does what he wants them to do. If he directed the Senate Republicans to negotiate a compromise, they would do so. In fact, take a guess who is famous for this quote:
"If there is a shutdown ... I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States. He's the one that has to get people together."
DOD4Life said:You are here with orange dust on your lips from kissing the orange pedophile’s fat ass. This government shutdown was baked in the cake when his felonious ass was elected in 2024. He owns the longest government shutdown in history, he’s been targeting federal employees since Day 1 in his current reign of terror to deliberately “traumatize” us, and the ultimate hallmark of his “management style” is utter chaos. He’s even posted AI videos to his knockoff Twitter account mocking federal employees going without paychecks & bragging about using the shutdown to fire federal employees. Yet, MAGA ATC will defend this POS til the very end: “Thank you, Sir! May I have another?”
https://www.axios.com/2025/10/03/trump-vought-grim-reaper-ai-video
What does a congressional vote (or lack thereof) have to do with Trump? 😂
Another classic example of you following your little news articles and still having no fucking clue how the legislative branch of our government works.
32andBelow said:Cus they used to actually negotiate. Now if anyone gets any wins they can’t have that
They used to, but things change. Just like several democratic presidents, reps and senators who said that in the past and on video that illegal immigration shouldn’t be tolerated. The GOP does this as well, the reality is we live in a time of hyper-polarized government where things are all tit-for-tat and nothing is straight forward anymore.
SquawkHijack said:What does a congressional vote (or lack thereof) have to do with Trump? 😂
Another classic example of you following your little news articles and still having no fucking clue how the legislative branch of our government works.
Which individual said the following quote?
"If there is a shutdown ... I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States. He's the one that has to get people together."
DOD4Life said:Which individual said the following quote?
"If there is a shutdown ... I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States. He's the one that has to get people together."
Shania Twain
SquawkHijack said:They used to, but things change. Just like several democratic presidents, reps and senators who said that n the past and on video that’ve illegal immigration shouldn’t be tolerated. The GOP does this as well, the reality is we live in a time of hyper-polarized government where things are all tit-for-tat and nothing is straight forward anymore.
Whelp they won’t pass their bill without negotiating so what are they gonna do?
Phillytroll69 said:After dismantling other bargaining units, stating they want federal employees to suffer, doge, firing a bunch of feds... Duffy said he couldn't help us since we rushed a contract through. Nick said he had a plan for a day one pay raise.
I think the problem is all the smooth brained controllers getting worked up over a quip. If I see any actions-
significant time off awards for service while being delayed pay, cash awards, management sponsored food (im easy what can I say)I'd be willing to say it's more than stirring the pot. Until I see any good faith signs that we matter more than equipment, that our job is more important than some others....Just don't listen to whatever they're saying.
I'm confused.
Are we talking about NATCA here or Donnie and the Gang.
32andBelow said:Whelp they won’t pass their bill without negotiating so what are they gonna do?
Starve those on SNAP benefits while simultaneously dying on the hill of securing healthcare for everyone including illegals, I guess?
GroundClutter said:I'm confused.
Are we talking about NATCA here or Donnie and the Gang.
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